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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle25><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Not having
flown FAI I didn't get or save many FAI rule books but I have 1989 and 1993 FAI
If any of you would like a copy of the sequences. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle25><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle25><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Verne Koester<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 31, 2012
1:24 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Fwd: Another discussion topic relatingto new FAIrules</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Hi
Peter,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>If
you want to see how AMA pattern looked prior to turnaround, download the
1988-89 rulebook. FAI had already started flying turnaround but it naturally
won’t appear in the rulebooks. If you also download the 1990-91 rulebook,
you’ll see how the transition started. Masters went from a “build your own”
schedule to a fixed set of non-turnaround maneuvers and Expert was introduced
as the first AMA all-turnaround schedule. You then have to download 92-93
rulebook and the 94-95 version to see the transition progress. Along the way,
Expert was dropped and Advanced and Masters were made all turnaround. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>We
lost a BUNCH of competitors as all of this took place who didn’t want to make
the transition. As time went on, the transition filtered down through the
classes to what we have today. To see how it took place, One only needs to look
at the schedules and how they changed from 1988 through 1995. Each rulebook in
between those periods made changes to complete the transition.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Verne
Koester<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>BTW,
I was one of many who opposed the changes because I could see we were going to
lose a bunch of guys in the process but I was too hooked to walk away. I could
see the writing on the wall and made the transition. In 1990, I flew Advanced
at the Nats (pre-turnaround) and in 1991 I flew Expert Turnaround at the Nats.
When Expert was dropped in 1992, those in that class had the option of going to
Advanced which was now turnaround but easier than Expert or Masters which was
also made all-turnaround but harder than Expert.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Peter Vogel<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 31, 2012
2:23 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> NSRCA Discussion List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Fwd: Another discussion topic relating to new FAIrules</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I was reading
some of the archived K-factors and it got me curious, is there an archive of
the sequences pre-turnaround?</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Peter+<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone4S</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br>
On Jan 31, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Joe Lachowski <<a
href="mailto:jlachow@hotmail.com">jlachow@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>You can log
on at the NSRCA website and then proceed to the judges section and click
on archived documents. Thanks to Jim Hiller who provided me a lot of these, I
was able to scan them in and put them into the PDF Format. Anyone who has
anything older than whats up there, send a hard copy to me to scan and I'll
have Derek put them up.<br>
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'>
<hr size=3 width="100%" align=center>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Date: Tue, 31
Jan 2012 08:45:38 -0800<br>
From: <a href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com">derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Another discussion topic relating to new
FAIrules<br>
<br>
We have a pretty good collection of AMA and FAI rule books on the website if
anyone wants to see what rules were like, or how much they have changed over
the years... </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Click on the
link below:</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><a
href="http://nsrca.us/index.php/archiveddocuments" target="_blank">http://nsrca.us/index.php/archiveddocuments</a> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On Tue, Jan
31, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Jon Lowe <<a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com">jonlowe@aol.com</a>>
wrote:</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>It
would appear that the FAI is going down the same road as IMAC, with IMAC's
subjective "airspace control" factor. The smoothness and
gracefulness 25% gives a judge a non-objective way to give a downgrade of 2 to
3 points. Since there is no scoring criteria for it that I could find,
other than Michael Ramel's instructions to the judges at the WC, I'm not sure what
we do with it. I would think that his instructions would have been
protestable, if anyone had wanted to go down that path, since I'm unaware of
any official FAI rule interpretation saying, for example, that constant
speed is a part of smoothness and gracefulness. I'm sure he was just
trying to give meaning to a poorly writen criteria.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Very sorry to see the
FAI going this way.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=4 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Jon</span></font><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
From: Mark Atwood <<a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>><br>
To: General pattern discussion <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 9:49 am<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Another discussion topic relating to new
FAIrules<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Dave,
the answer, by your own math, is that a geometrically perfect maneuver can't be
beaten purely by other criteria. With geometry making up 50% of the
score, no amount of smoothness can be valued MORE than precision. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I could
also argue that a geometrically "perfect" maneuver would always have
at least some level of gracefulness based on that perfect geometry.
They're not completely independent. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Unfortunately
S&G is completely subjective, and as analytical people, we're not too keen
on subjectivity. But that's the nature of the sport. It's perceived
precision, not measured. Vertical lines at the end of the box
don't need to BE vertical, they need to LOOK vertical, etc. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>If we
want purely objective scoring... look to racing. Go fast, bank left,
pull. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>On Jan
31, 2012, at 10:37 AM, <a href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</a>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br>
There has never been guidance for s+g downgrades in AMA or FAI.....which is why
I have always advocated s+g should be eliminated from the judging criteria.
Of course if I am mistaken about the goal of pattern being precision
aerobatics, then maybe s+g should be the only criteria.<br>
<br>
I've never gotten an answer to this question. How can a geometrically
perfect maneuver be outscored by a geometrically flawed maneuver? Of
course with the new FAI scoring.....it would seem that geometrically perfect
maneuver might only be scored a 5.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Dave<br>
<br>
Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>----- Reply message
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From: "Ronald Van Putte" <<a href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</a>><br>
Date: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 09:49<br>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Another discussion topic relating to new
FAIrules<br>
To: "General pattern discussion" <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>After
thinking about this further, I wonder how the change in ranking affects
anything. Positioning has specific downgrades (2 point downgrade for each
1/4 of the maneuver off center). However, I am unaware of any specific
downgrades for smoothness and gracefulness. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Ron Van
Putte<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Begin
forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.0in;margin-bottom:
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From: </span></font></b><font size=4 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Ronald
Van Putte <<a href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</a>></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Date: </span></font></b><font size=4 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>January
31, 2012 8:24:56 AM CST</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.0in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>To: </span></font></b><font size=4 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>General
pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.0in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Subject: </span></font></b><b><font size=4 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Another discussion topic relating to
new FAIrules</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.0in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Reply-To: </span></font></b><font size=4 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>General
pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.0in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.0in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>That's
interesting. I know #2. and #3. were in reverse order before. I
don't remember a rules change vote on this. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.0in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.0in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Ron Van
Putte<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.0in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.0in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>On Jan
31, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Bob Kane wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>FWIW, this is
identical to to the ranking in the AMA Competition regulations:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From the
current AMA document (RCA-12):<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black;font-weight:
bold'>1.</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'> Precision of the maneuver.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black;font-weight:
bold'>2.</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'> Smoothness and gracefulness of the maneuver. </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black;font-weight:
bold'>3.</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'> Positioning or display of the maneuver.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black;font-weight:
bold'>4. </span></font></b><font size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:black'>Size or dimensions of the maneuver relative to the
maneuvering area, distance from the judges, and other maneuvers in the flight. </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>The above
criteria are listed in order of importance; however, all of them must be met
for a maneuver to be rated perfect. </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Bob Kane <a
href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com">getterflash@yahoo.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:black'> J N Hiller <<a
href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">jnhiller@earthlink.net</a>><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion
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<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 31, 2012
3:51 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Another discussion topic relating to new FAIrules</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I would
have thought positioning rated a higher precision aerobatics. Smoothness and
gracefulness is polish.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jim</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 30, 2012
6:06 PM<br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [NSRCA-discussion]
Another discussion topic relating to new FAIrules</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>This
will keep the list going (and the discussions too). I recall Michael
Ramel clearly discussing the future of the rules during the judges training at
the World Championships at Muncie. This was relating to smoothness
and gracefulness being directly related to constant speed. The following
reflects what he discussed, as cited on page 35, and effect the way a score is
awarded:</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Geometry:
50%</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Smoothness
and Gracefulness: 25%</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Position
of maneuver: 12.5%</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Size of
maneuver: 12.5%</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Proportion
of the maneuver outside the (box) in addition to above.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The
specific, objective criteria used to judge smoothness and gracefulness
includes, "maintaining constant speed throughout various maneuver
components, like climbing and decending sections..."</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Also
the sentence about radii being very loose or very tight, even
if equal size within a maneuver, are grounds for downgrade of
smoothness and gracefulness.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Cheers,</span></font><font
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