<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Have you guys review the A-12 schedules? They already have them up to 2015. I think they are very nice and well designed. Probably was the main reason why Don asked the question. Clearly we have been copying the old P maneuvers for Masters. Why not adopt them? By the way, adopt not necessarily means that we have to do exactly the same. We can make changes if we see something very wrong. I really don't see anything wrong in these schedules. <BR><BR>
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<B>From: </B>"Budd Engineering" &lt;jerry@buddengineering.com><BR><B>To: </B>"General pattern discussion" &lt;nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><B>Sent: </B>Monday, January 30, 2012 5:37:03 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI A-12 local advanced sequence<BR><BR>
<DIV>Or that we have the largest combination of population base, standard of living, and most importantly the freedom to choose to do what we want with our free time...</DIV>
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<DIV>Jerry<BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Jan 30, 2012, at 3:22 PM, "Del" &lt;<A href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com" target=_blank>drykert2@rochester.rr.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>Maybe part of the reason we have the largest group of precision aerobatic participants is because of the AMA classes that are currently used. Much effort went into creating and tweaking these classes with the hope to make it enticing and progressive for the pilots. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial> Del</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=vicenterc@comcast.net href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net" target=_blank>Vicente "Vince" Bortone</A> </DIV>
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<P>Hi Derek:</P>
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<P>OK, here are some advantages I could think of. I am sure that there are more:</P>
<P><BR>1. Young pilots will see more light at the end of tunnel. I am sure that they want to reach FAI-F3A levels and learn to fly the most difficult schedules as they make progress. Clearly these sequences provide more natural transition and help the new blood to get ready for the WC. I think if we adopt this schedules there will be less chance that we don't have junior pilots in the WC. I believe this is the most important single reason.</P>
<P>2. Judging becomes more accurate and easier to digest for all. The backbones of sequences are very similar. Therefore, we really don't need to memorize the whole schedule and we can concentrate in the most important details when judging. </P>
<P>3. If we adopt the schedule means that we more open in accepting what other countries are doing in pattern. I don't see why this is bad for us. It is clear that we have been copying here and there the old P schedules maneuvers when designing the new AMA Masters. Actually, I think is good for us. It is clear that we have the largest group of pattern pilots than any country in the world. If we adopt these schedules they will be more willing to do more pattern stuff around the pattern stuff we are doing. In a nutshell becomes more USA schedules since we will have a lot more pilots flying these international schedules. </P>
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<P>I really don't see any disadvantages. </P>
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<P>Thanks,</P>
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<P>Vicente "Vince" Bortone<BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: Derek Koopowitz &lt;<A href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com" target=_blank>derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</A>&gt;<BR>To: 'General pattern discussion' &lt;<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>&gt;<BR>Sent: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:50:11 -0000 (UTC)<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI A-12 local advanced sequence<BR>What advantages does it have over using our own home grown sequences? It is<BR>easier than Masters and does NOT allow a way for us to have sequences that<BR>build on each other as you move from class to class.<BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Vicente<BR>"Vince" Bortone<BR>Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:07 AM<BR>To: General pattern discussion<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI A-12 local advanced sequence<BR>Why not to adopt it? This have many advantages. Probably Don wanted to<BR>infer that. <BR>Vicente "Vince" Bortone<BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: Derek Koopowitz &lt;<A href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com" target=_blank>derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</A>&gt;<BR>To: 'General pattern discussion' &lt;<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>&gt;<BR>Sent: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:06:41 -0000 (UTC)<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI A-12 local advanced sequence Don, The<BR>intent of the A schedule is for those countries that do not have a<BR>formalized class structure much like we have in the USA. so, no, it would<BR>not be used at any contests in the US.<BR>-Derek<BR>From: <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of<BR><A href="mailto:tocdon@netscape.net" target=_blank>tocdon@netscape.net</A><BR>Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 6:20 PM<BR>To: <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI A-12 local advanced sequence Sorry if this<BR>has already been addresssed by the NSRCA. If not, per FAI Sporting code:<BR>"For 2012, (F3A) Schedule A-12 is recommended to be flown in local<BR>competitions so as to offer advanced pilots a suitable way to achieve skills<BR>to step up to P-13 Schedules."<BR>Are there any local U.S. contests planning to run the A-12 class? Would this<BR>be part of a new AMA class or a separate FAI class? Or is this going to be<BR>ignored since AMA already has Advanced (and Masters). <BR>Regards,<BR>Don<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR><A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target=_blank>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR><A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target=_blank>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A><BR></P></DIV></DIV>
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