<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">After thinking about this further, I wonder how the change in ranking affects anything. Positioning has specific downgrades (2 point downgrade for each 1/4 of the maneuver off center). However, I am unaware of any specific downgrades for smoothness and gracefulness.<div><br></div><div>Ron Van Putte<br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Ronald Van Putte <<a href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">January 31, 2012 8:24:56 AM CST<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Another discussion topic relating to new FAIrules</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Reply-To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br></span></div><br><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">That's interesting. I know #2. and #3. were in reverse order before. I don't remember a rules change vote on this.<div><br></div><div>Ron Van Putte</div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 31, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Bob Kane wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto">FWIW, this is identical to to the ranking in the AMA Competition regulations:</span></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto">From the current AMA document (RCA-12):</span></div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; RIGHT: auto; mso-layout-grid-align: none" class="MsoNormal"><b style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">1.</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Precision of the maneuver.<!--?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /--><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">2.</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Smoothness and gracefulness of the maneuver. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">3.</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Positioning or display of the maneuver.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; RIGHT: auto; mso-layout-grid-align: none" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">4. </span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Size or dimensions of the maneuver relative to the maneuvering area, distance from the judges, and other maneuvers in the flight. </span></div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; RIGHT: auto; mso-layout-grid-align: none" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The above criteria are listed in order of importance; however, all of them must be met for a maneuver to be rated perfect. <var id="yui-ie-cursor"></var></span></div>
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<div>Bob Kane <a href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com">getterflash@yahoo.com</a><br></div>
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<div class="yiv458482347MsoNormal"><span class="yiv458482347EmailStyle15"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I would have thought positioning rated a higher precision aerobatics. Smoothness and gracefulness is polish.</span></font></span></div>
<div class="yiv458482347MsoNormal"><span class="yiv458482347EmailStyle15"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Jim</span></font></span></div>
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<div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class="yiv458482347MsoNormal"><font color="black" size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </span></b><a href="mailto:tocdon@netscape.net">tocdon@netscape.net</a><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 30, 2012 6:06 PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> [NSRCA-discussion] Another discussion topic relating to new FAIrules</span></font></div>
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<div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class="yiv458482347MsoNormal"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">This will keep the list going (and the discussions too). I recall Michael Ramel clearly discussing the future of the rules during the judges training at the World Championships at Muncie. This was relating to smoothness and gracefulness being directly related to constant speed. The following reflects what he discussed, as cited on page 35, and effect the way a score is awarded:</span></font></div>
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<div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class="yiv458482347MsoNormal"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Geometry: 50%</span></font></div>
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<div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class="yiv458482347MsoNormal"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Position of maneuver: 12.5%</span></font></div>
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<div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class="yiv458482347MsoNormal"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The specific, objective criteria used to judge smoothness and gracefulness includes, "maintaining constant speed throughout various maneuver components, like climbing and decending sections..."</span></font></div>
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<div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class="yiv458482347MsoNormal"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Also the sentence about radii being very loose or very tight, even if equal size within a maneuver, are grounds for downgrade of smoothness and gracefulness.</span></font></div>
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<div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class="yiv458482347MsoNormal"><font color="black" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Cheers,</span></font></div>
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