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<DIV>Ron,</DIV>
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<DIV>Do you have any equations to evaluate the changes in acceleration, velocity
and vectors of the airframe, thus resulting in a numeric evaluation of
“smoothness and gracefulness”!! </DIV>
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<DIV>Then we can feed that number into the 25%/12.5%/12.5%/50% equation to get a
final raw score.</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=vanputte@cox.net
href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ronald Van Putte</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 31, 2012 8:49 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Another discussion topic relating
to newFAIrules</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: none">After
thinking about this further, I wonder how the change in ranking affects
anything. Positioning has specific downgrades (2 point downgrade for each
1/4 of the maneuver off center). However, I am unaware of any specific
downgrades for smoothness and gracefulness.
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<DIV>Ron Van Putte<BR>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; COLOR: ; FONT-SIZE: medium"><B>From:
</B></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium">Ronald
Van Putte <<A
href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</A>><BR></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; COLOR: ; FONT-SIZE: medium"><B>Date:
</B></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium">January
31, 2012 8:24:56 AM CST<BR></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; COLOR: ; FONT-SIZE: medium"><B>To:
</B></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium">General
pattern discussion <<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; COLOR: ; FONT-SIZE: medium"><B>Subject:
</B></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium"><B>Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Another discussion topic relating to new
FAIrules</B><BR></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; COLOR: ; FONT-SIZE: medium"><B>Reply-To:
</B></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: medium">General
pattern discussion <<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR></SPAN></DIV>
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style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space">That's
interesting. I know #2. and #3. were in reverse order before. I
don't remember a rules change vote on this.
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<DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV>
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<DIV>On Jan 31, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Bob Kane wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">FWIW, this is identical
to to the ranking in the AMA Competition regulations:</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">From the current AMA
document (RCA-12):</SPAN></DIV>
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class=MsoNormal><B style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">1.</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Precision of the maneuver.<!--?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /--><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">2.</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Smoothness and gracefulness of the maneuver.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">3.</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Positioning or display of the
maneuver.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">4. </SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Size or dimensions of the maneuver relative to the
maneuvering area, distance from the judges, and other maneuvers in the
flight. </SPAN></DIV>
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class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The above criteria are listed in order of
importance; however, all of them must be met for a maneuver to be rated
perfect. <VAR id=yui-ie-cursor></VAR></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>Bob Kane <A
href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com">getterflash@yahoo.com</A><BR></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> J N Hiller <<A
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern discussion <<A
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<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, January 31,
2012 3:51 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
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style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I would have thought positioning
rated a higher precision aerobatics. Smoothness and gracefulness is
polish.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B><A
href="mailto:tocdon@netscape.net">tocdon@netscape.net</A><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, January 30, 2012 6:06
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [NSRCA-discussion] Another
discussion topic relating to new FAIrules</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=yiv458482347MsoNormal><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=yiv458482347MsoNormal><FONT
color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">This will keep the
list going (and the discussions too). I recall Michael Ramel clearly
discussing the future of the rules during the judges training at the World
Championships at Muncie. This was relating to smoothness and
gracefulness being directly related to constant speed. The following
reflects what he discussed, as cited on page 35, and effect the way a score
is awarded:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Geometry:
50%</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=yiv458482347MsoNormal><FONT
color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Smoothness and
Gracefulness: 25%</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=yiv458482347MsoNormal><FONT
color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Position of
maneuver: 12.5%</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Size of maneuver:
12.5%</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Proportion of the
maneuver outside the (box) in addition to above.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The specific,
objective criteria used to judge smoothness and gracefulness includes,
"maintaining constant speed throughout various maneuver components, like
climbing and decending sections..."</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Also the sentence
about radii being very loose or very tight, even if equal size within a
maneuver, are grounds for downgrade of smoothness and
gracefulness.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Cheers,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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