Well said!<div><br></div><div>Regarding constant speed -- isn't that essentially impossible in any routine that includes a spin? I'm just flying sportsman, but it seems to me watching the Intermediate + above routines, that the plane comes to a near stop before dropping into the spin. But that in itself is graceful :-) Other maneuvers, however, definitely look better to my eye when performed at a constant speed while maintaining appropriate geometry.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Peter+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="blue"><div><div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">In any
case I'll fly as I've always tried too, crisp and precise, regardless of how
its judged, because it pleases me.<u></u><u></u></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Jim<u></u><u></u></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u> <u></u><u></u><u></u></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"></span></font></p><div class="im"><font color="black" face="Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b>
<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Bob Kane<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 31, 2012
6:19 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
</font></div><div><div class="h5"><font color="black" face="Tahoma"><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Another discussion topic relating to newFAIrules</font></div></div><p></p><div><div class="h5">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">FWIW,
this is identical to to the ranking in the AMA Competition regulations:</span><u></u><u></u></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"></span><span> </span></font></p></div>
<u></u><u></u>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
</span></font></p><div><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span>From the current AMA document
(RCA-12):</span><u></u><u></u></font></div><p></p></div></div></div><div><div class="h5">
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</span></font></p><div><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span> </span></font></div><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman">
<u></u><u></u></font><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><b><font color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold">1.</span></font></b><font color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Precision of the
maneuver.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><b><font color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold">2.</span></font></b><font color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Smoothness and
gracefulness of the maneuver. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><b><font color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold">3.</span></font></b><font color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Positioning or
display of the maneuver.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><b><font color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold">4. </span></font></b><font color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Size or
dimensions of the maneuver relative to the maneuvering area, distance from the
judges, and other maneuvers in the flight. </span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
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<u></u><u></u>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">The above criteria are listed in order of importance;
however, all of them must be met for a maneuver to be rated perfect. </span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Bob
Kane <a href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com" target="_blank">getterflash@yahoo.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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</font></b></p><div readonly></div><b><font color="black" face="Arial">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> J N Hiller <<a href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net" target="_blank">jnhiller@earthlink.net</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> General pattern discussion
<<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 31, 2012
3:51 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Another discussion topic relating to new FAIrules</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:.5in;background:white"><span><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">
</span></font></span></p><div><font color="navy" face="Arial">I would have thought positioning rated a higher precision
aerobatics. Smoothness and gracefulness is polish.</font></div><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:.5in;background:white"><span><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Jim</span></font></span><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:.5in;background:white"><span><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </span></font></span><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white"><font color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b>
<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b><a href="mailto:tocdon@netscape.net" target="_blank">tocdon@netscape.net</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 30, 2012
6:06 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [NSRCA-discussion]
Another discussion topic relating to new FAIrules</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">This will keep the list
going (and the discussions too). I recall Michael Ramel clearly
discussing the future of the rules during the judges training at the World
Championships at Muncie. This was relating to smoothness and
gracefulness being directly related to constant speed. The following
reflects what he discussed, as cited on page 35, and effect the way a score is
awarded:</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> </span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Geometry: 50%</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Smoothness and
Gracefulness: 25%</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Position of maneuver:
12.5%</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Size of maneuver: 12.5%</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Proportion of the
maneuver outside the (box) in addition to above.</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> </span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">The specific, objective
criteria used to judge smoothness and gracefulness includes, "maintaining
constant speed throughout various maneuver components, like climbing and
decending sections..."</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> </span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Also the sentence about
radii being very loose or very tight, even if equal size within
a maneuver, are grounds for downgrade of smoothness and gracefulness.</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> </span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Cheers,</span></font><font color="black"><span style><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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