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<br><div><div>On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:19 PM, Ronald Van Putte wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Actually, yes. &nbsp;The cooker is powered by fossil fuels.<div><br></div><div>Ron</div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 25, 2012, at 7:57 PM, Keith Hoard wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Is Moonshine made from fossil fuels?<br clear="all"><br>Keith Hoard<br>Collierville, TN<br><a href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com">khoard@gmail.com</a><br><br><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 7:00 PM, <a href="mailto:trexlesh@msn.com">trexlesh@msn.com</a> <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:trexlesh@msn.com">trexlesh@msn.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Ya fossil burner!  :-)<br><br>R<br><br>Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone<br><br><div>----- Reply message -----<br>From: "astropuppy" &lt;<a href="mailto:astropuppy@gmail.com" target="_blank">astropuppy@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
To: "General pattern discussion" &lt;<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Main battery redundant lead for receiver<br>
Date: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 12:47 pm<br><br></div><br>You know you want to go E Jim. As they say in Oregon: "Just do it".<div><br></div><div>Mike<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 9:47 AM, J N Hiller <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net" target="_blank">jnhiller@earthlink.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Having
judged these sequences I absolutely agree that they have become more demanding.
Do you think you could fly the current schedules with 2006 battery technology?<u></u><u></u></span></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Not in a
hurry to go E-Power but interested.<u></u><u></u></span></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Jim<u></u><u></u></span></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u><u></u><u></u></span></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Del<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, January 25, 2012
6:55 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Main battery redundant lead for receiver</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><b><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Dave..
Love how you win your discussions.. lol .. ;+}&nbsp; </span></font></b></b><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><b><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">&nbsp;</span></font></b></b><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><b><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Del</span></font></b></b><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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Original Message ----- </span></font><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;background:#e4e4e4;border:none;padding:0in"><b><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">

</span></font></b></p><div><b><font color="black" face="Arial">From:</font></b></div><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> <a href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net" title="DaveL322@comcast.net" target="_blank">Dave Lockhart</a>
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<font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u><u></u></span></font><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><b><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">To:</span></font></b><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">'General pattern discussion'</a> </span></font><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><b><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></font></b><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> Tuesday, January 24,
2012 7:07 PM</span></font><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><b><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></font></b><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Main battery redundant lead for receiver</span></font><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">2006<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">9411sa x2 for ailerons<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">8417sa x1 for elevator<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">8411sa x1 for rudder<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">2009<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">Changed to 3517 x2 for elevator (in the same plane)….no change
in mah per flight<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">2010<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">Changed to 8611A on rudder (in the same plane)….no change in mah
per flight<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">Flight times are about 45 seconds shorter now.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">I still have the Prestige I flew in 2006, so no change to
control surface size or throw.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">I’m pretty sure it is the changes in maneuvers flown and higher
average watts used by the motor in the course of the flight.&nbsp; </span></font><font color="#1f497d" face="Wingdings"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">J</span></font><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">Dave<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><b><font color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Peter Vogel<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 24, 2012
6:59 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Main battery redundant lead for receiver</span></font><font color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">&nbsp;</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Digital
servos *definitely* draw more power than non-digitals, but they are much more
precise and hold their position better, it's worth the higher draw for pattern.</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">&nbsp;</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Peter+</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On
Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Doug Cronkhite &lt;<a href="mailto:seefo@san.rr.com" target="_blank">seefo@san.rr.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I
suspect the servos also draw more power than they did years ago.</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">&nbsp;</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Doug&nbsp;<br>
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Sent from my iPhone</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><br>
On Jan 24, 2012, at 3:40 PM, "Dave Lockhart" &lt;<a href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net" target="_blank">DaveL322@comcast.net</a>&gt;
wrote:</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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I first started flying electric pattern…..mah per flight was noticeably lower
than now, going from 40-60 per flight to 60-80 per flight…..flying whatever was
the current P/F sequences.&nbsp; I suspect the increase is due to higher
average flight speeds (much more watts at the motor now) and more demanding
maneuvers (snaps and KE).</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">Regards,</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">Dave</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">&nbsp;</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><b><font color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Keith Hoard<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 24, 2012
11:02 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Main
battery redundant lead for receiver</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">&nbsp;</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Anthony,<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; On a typical flight, I'm guessing the radio only uses around
100-150Mah of power, while the motor is using 4000Mah, so that's about 4% more
draw on those two cells.&nbsp; In practice, I haven't been able to see any
difference in the radio cells when I hook them up to my charger at the end of a
flight.&nbsp; Sometimes cells #1 &amp; #2 are the high cells after a flight, so
I think the power draw of the radio is negligible to our motor packs.<br>
<br>
The problem with two regulators plugged into the same 10S (or 5S) pack is that
you are creating a dead short between the cells thru the ground wires
(typically a straight wire thru the regulator).&nbsp; <br>
<br>
Say you plug Regulator #1 into cells #1&amp;2, and Regulator #2 into cells
#6&amp;7.&nbsp; The regulator's <b><i><span style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">ground </span></i></b>wires now have 5 cells of voltage potential (5 X
4.2V = 21Volts) between them since they are plugged into cells # 1 and
#6.&nbsp; When those two ground wires are then plugged into your receiver
either thru a switch or direct connection the magic smoke will escape and your
retailer will rejoice.<br>
<br>
Also, if you have both of your regulators plugged into your motor pack and the
packs eject like Goose in Top Gun, you've lost both of your redundant power
sources.&nbsp; However, if you use a tiny 2S LiPo that is physically separated
and secured inside your plane, you have both electrical and physical
redundancy.&nbsp; <br>
<br>
Hmmm, just thought of something . . . maybe we should tie down the receiver so
the main regulator can't take the receiver out with it. . . so many
contingencies, so little weight . . .<br clear="all">
<br>
Keith Hoard<br>
Collierville, TN<br>
<a href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com" target="_blank">khoard@gmail.com</a><br>
<u></u><br>
<u></u></span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Tue, Jan
24, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Anthony Romano &lt;<a href="mailto:anthonyr105@hotmail.com" target="_blank">anthonyr105@hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Seems like a
great idea but I have two questions. Do the packs come down out of balance
since&nbsp;two cells are serving&nbsp;extra load? Is there a problem
with&nbsp;parallel operation of two regulators?<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Thanks,<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Anthony<br>
&nbsp;</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>


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Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:25:00 -0800<br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Main battery redundant lead for receiver<br>
<br>
I've been using this setup for sometime and it is working great. &nbsp;I have
my two cell LiPo charged to 7.5 volts and it is connected to a 6.0 volt
regulator into the receiver. &nbsp;The cable connected to the balance connector
on the "bottom" 5S is connected to a 6.3 volt regulator so it
supplies all the current to the system and the 2S pack never needs charging..
&nbsp;I'm using an 800 mAh pack but it could be even smaller. &nbsp; </span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">&nbsp;</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jim O</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">&nbsp;</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">&nbsp;</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Jan 23,
2012, at 2:09 PM, Scott McHarg wrote:</span></font><font color="black"><span><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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&nbsp;&nbsp; Chris Moon just e-mailed me about some leads that were done at the
factory.&nbsp; These leads run off your balance leads to a voltage regulator
and allow your main battery pack to be utilized as a redundant receiver
battery.&nbsp; It is NOT meant to be a primary but it will save 20+ grams if
you're running 2 rx batteries.&nbsp; You still have to run the 2nd regulator
for true redundancy but you eliminate the 2nd battery.&nbsp; These leads are
factory made and eliminate the need to make them yourself with the concern
about plugging in to the wrong cell.&nbsp; I know in my article, I was pretty
much against doing this as a backup but, with Chris having this made at the
factory, he has all but eliminated making a mistake by tying to the wrong
cell.&nbsp; I have the link that I'll e-mail you off-list or you can just go to
his website.&nbsp; I don't want to break the NSRCA list rules by advertising
for him even though he advertises with the NSRCA.&nbsp; The leads are only
$3.99 each and are found under the Connectors/Adapters listing.<br>
<br>
Thank,<br>
Scott<br clear="all">
<br>
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