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<body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue style='tab-interval:.5in'>You can make weight very easy in an Option!!!!  I used to have all the weights written down....somewhere!  <br><br>R<br><br>Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone<br><br><div id="htc_header" style="">----- Reply message -----<br>From: &quot;J N Hiller&quot; &lt;jnhiller@earthlink.net&gt;<br>To: &quot;General pattern discussion&quot; &lt;nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org&gt;<br>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Main battery redundant lead for receiver<br>Date: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 3:49 pm<br><br></div><br>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hi Mike.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>If I could
get rid of my greasy stuff I think I'd go all electric but after reading of the
extraordinary measures taken to save a few grams it kind of depends what I can
get an E-Option to weigh. My #2 160 is 10 lb so I could probably do it. I need
to lookup component weights and get an estimated allowable airframe weight to compare.
Maybe next winter; I'll fly what I've got another season and work on improving
piloting skill, if that’s possible any more. I've never been a switch flipper
but I'm thinking I need to start. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes">         </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>astropuppy<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, January 25, 2012
12:47 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Main battery redundant lead for receiver</span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>You know you
want to go E Jim. As they say in Oregon: &quot;Just do it&quot;.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Mike</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On Wed, Jan
25, 2012 at 9:47 AM, J N Hiller &lt;<a href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">jnhiller@earthlink.net</a>&gt;
wrote:</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>

<div bgcolor="white" link="blue" vlink="purple">Having judged these sequences I
absolutely agree that they have become more demanding. Do you think you could
fly the current schedules with 2006 battery technology?</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Not in a
hurry to go E-Power but interested.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jim</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Del<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, January 25, 2012
6:55 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Main battery redundant lead for receiver</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:76.8pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt'><strong><b><font size=3
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>Dave.. Love how you win your discussions.. lol .. ;+}&nbsp; </span></font></b></strong><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>&nbsp;</span></font></b></strong><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Del</span></font></b></strong><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>----- Original Message
----- </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:40.8pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font
size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:40.8pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><a href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net" target="_blank"
title="DaveL322@comcast.net">Dave Lockhart</a> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:80.55pt'><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern discussion'</a> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:80.55pt'><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> Tuesday, January 24, 2012 7:07 PM</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Main battery redundant lead for receiver</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>2006</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>9411sa x2 for
ailerons</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>8417sa x1 for
elevator</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>8411sa x1 for rudder</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>2009</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Changed to 3517 x2
for elevator (in the same plane)….no change in mah per flight</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>2010</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Changed to 8611A on
rudder (in the same plane)….no change in mah per flight</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Flight times are
about 45 seconds shorter now.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I still have the
Prestige I flew in 2006, so no change to control surface size or throw.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I’m pretty sure it
is the changes in maneuvers flown and higher average watts used by the motor in
the course of the flight.&nbsp; </span></font><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Wingdings><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Regards,</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Dave</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Peter Vogel<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 24, 2012
6:59 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Main battery redundant lead for receiver</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Digital servos *definitely* draw more
power than non-digitals, but they are much more precise and hold their position
better, it's worth the higher draw for pattern.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Peter+</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Doug
Cronkhite &lt;<a href="mailto:seefo@san.rr.com" target="_blank">seefo@san.rr.com</a>&gt;
wrote:</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I suspect the servos also draw more power
than they did years ago.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:
black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Doug&nbsp;<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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margin-left:80.55pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br>
On Jan 24, 2012, at 3:40 PM, &quot;Dave Lockhart&quot; &lt;<a
href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net" target="_blank">DaveL322@comcast.net</a>&gt;
wrote:</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:116.55pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>When I first started
flying electric pattern…..mah per flight was noticeably lower than now, going
from 40-60 per flight to 60-80 per flight…..flying whatever was the current P/F
sequences.&nbsp; I suspect the increase is due to higher average flight speeds
(much more watts at the motor now) and more demanding maneuvers (snaps and KE).</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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auto;margin-left:116.55pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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auto;margin-left:116.55pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Regards,</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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auto;margin-left:116.55pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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auto;margin-left:116.55pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Dave</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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auto;margin-left:116.55pt'><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Keith Hoard<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 24, 2012
11:02 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Main battery redundant lead for receiver</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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auto;margin-left:116.55pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:116.55pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Anthony,<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; On a typical flight, I'm guessing the radio only uses around
100-150Mah of power, while the motor is using 4000Mah, so that's about 4% more
draw on those two cells.&nbsp; In practice, I haven't been able to see any
difference in the radio cells when I hook them up to my charger at the end of a
flight.&nbsp; Sometimes cells #1 &amp; #2 are the high cells after a flight, so
I think the power draw of the radio is negligible to our motor packs.<br>
<br>
The problem with two regulators plugged into the same 10S (or 5S) pack is that
you are creating a dead short between the cells thru the ground wires
(typically a straight wire thru the regulator).&nbsp; <br>
<br>
Say you plug Regulator #1 into cells #1&amp;2, and Regulator #2 into cells
#6&amp;7.&nbsp; The regulator's <b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:
italic'>ground </span></i></b>wires now have 5 cells of voltage potential (5 X
4.2V = 21Volts) between them since they are plugged into cells # 1 and #6.&nbsp;
When those two ground wires are then plugged into your receiver either thru a
switch or direct connection the magic smoke will escape and your retailer will
rejoice.<br>
<br>
Also, if you have both of your regulators plugged into your motor pack and the
packs eject like Goose in Top Gun, you've lost both of your redundant power
sources.&nbsp; However, if you use a tiny 2S LiPo that is physically separated
and secured inside your plane, you have both electrical and physical
redundancy.&nbsp; <br>
<br>
Hmmm, just thought of something . . . maybe we should tie down the receiver so
the main regulator can't take the receiver out with it. . . so many
contingencies, so little weight . . .<br clear=all>
<br>
Keith Hoard<br>
Collierville, TN<br>
<a href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com" target="_blank">khoard@gmail.com</a></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:116.55pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Anthony
Romano &lt;<a href="mailto:anthonyr105@hotmail.com" target="_blank">anthonyr105@hotmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:116.55pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Seems like a great idea but I have two
questions. Do the packs come down out of balance since&nbsp;two cells are serving&nbsp;extra
load? Is there a problem with&nbsp;parallel operation of two regulators?<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Thanks,<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Anthony<br>
&nbsp;</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>


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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:116.55pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: <a href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com"
target="_blank">joddino@socal.rr.com</a><br>
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:25:00 -0800<br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Main battery redundant lead for receiver<br>
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I've been using this setup for sometime and it is working great. &nbsp;I have
my two cell LiPo charged to 7.5 volts and it is connected to a 6.0 volt
regulator into the receiver. &nbsp;The cable connected to the balance connector
on the &quot;bottom&quot; 5S is connected to a 6.3 volt regulator so it
supplies all the current to the system and the 2S pack never needs charging.
&nbsp;I'm using an 800 mAh pack but it could be even smaller. &nbsp; </span></font><font
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On Jan 23, 2012, at 2:09 PM, Scott McHarg
wrote:</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Guys,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; Chris Moon just e-mailed me about some leads that were done at the
factory.&nbsp; These leads run off your balance leads to a voltage regulator
and allow your main battery pack to be utilized as a redundant receiver
battery.&nbsp; It is NOT meant to be a primary but it will save 20+ grams if
you're running 2 rx batteries.&nbsp; You still have to run the 2nd regulator
for true redundancy but you eliminate the 2nd battery.&nbsp; These leads are
factory made and eliminate the need to make them yourself with the concern
about plugging in to the wrong cell.&nbsp; I know in my article, I was pretty
much against doing this as a backup but, with Chris having this made at the
factory, he has all but eliminated making a mistake by tying to the wrong
cell.&nbsp; I have the link that I'll e-mail you off-list or you can just go to
his website.&nbsp; I don't want to break the NSRCA list rules by advertising
for him even though he advertises with the NSRCA.&nbsp; The leads are only
$3.99 each and are found under the Connectors/Adapters listing.<br>
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Thank,<br>
Scott<br clear=all>
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