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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;-webkit-line-break: after-white-space'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If we would give up the silly idea that take off and landing were aerobatic maneuvers and not score them then judges would get a little break from concentrating on looking at the plane the entire box time and they would have a little break to relax and transcribe scores from the pad to the score sheet.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dave Burton<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ronald Van Putte<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 08, 2011 6:44 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Quick question re: cellular data service at the fields where you compete<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I wish the Nats were that cool. We judge 3 - 4 hours in 90+ degrees and 90+ relative humidity and I use a legal size clipboard with legal size yellow pads to record the scores. Then I put the scores on the scoresheets after judging is complete.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ron Van Putte<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Dec 8, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Del wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Its not very simple if you have been judging for a few hours in 85 degree heat.. Scribes are another matter... Judges I would think most contestants want them watching their plane 100% of the time they are in the box.</span></strong><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original Message -----<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com" title="khoard@gmail.com">Keith Hoard</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:11 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Quick question re: cellular data service at the fields where you compete<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Too simple, it'll never catch on. <br><br>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br>On Dec 8, 2011, at 9:54, Peter Vogel <<a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Exactly. With 12 finger size buttons and an 'enter'. 0-10 and a .5 button. Very quick and hitting enter finalizes. Enter with no score button is Not Observed and then at the end you review the scoresheet, make any corrections you want and hit enter one more time. Arresti at the bottom for reference. <br><br>Sent from my iPhone4S<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br>On Dec 8, 2011, at 5:12 AM, Keith Hoard <<a href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com">khoard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Bob,<br><br> I've been thinking of just this system for a couple years now. If you were using a smart phone, you could hold it up near your line of sight during the flight and tap in your score without taking your eyes off the plane. Perhaps even a graphic of the maneuver for quick reference?<br clear=all><br>Keith Hoard<br>Collierville, TN<br><a href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com">khoard@gmail.com</a><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:08 AM, Bob Kane<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><<a href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com">getterflash@yahoo.com</a>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>All of the sites I hit on the pattern circuit here in D4-D5 have cellular service, most are near large metro areas so 3G should be avaliable also.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>I would be a little concerned about the ability to punch in a score on a screen (even if i was a single "button") especailly in the event of a mistake. A judge could be distracted trying to correct a score. A pencil/paper system is hard to beat for ease of use and quick error correction.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#888888'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#888888'>Bob Kane<br><a href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com" target="_blank">getterflash@yahoo.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=hoenzb><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#888888'>From:</span></b></span><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#888888'> </span></span><span class=hoenzb><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#888888'>Peter Vogel <<a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" target="_blank">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>></span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#888888'><br><span class=hoenzb><b>To:</b></span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><span class=hoenzb>General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br><span class=hoenzb><b>Sent:</b></span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><span class=hoenzb>Thursday, December 8, 2011 3:05 AM</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[NSRCA-discussion] Quick question re: cellular data service at the fields where you compete<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>I've been thinking about a "better way" to get scores into a system like PACSS, given the general ubiquity of smart phones and the overall tech savvy among the pattern crowd, I believe it should be possible for a judge or scribe to very quickly enter scores for each maneuver into an iOS or Android phone or tablet communicating via the cellular data network (typical data is so small as to be VERY lightweight on data usage, so even Edge data services would be quick enough to record scores) the interface would be designed for very fast entry of a score (two taps per maneuver scored) with the interface optimized for the screen size of phone or tablet. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Here in California, I have yet to visit a field where I didn't have 3G data service, but I realize California can be an outlier in such matters. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>So, of the fields where you have competed in the last year, how many had 3G data service? Edge? and No Data service?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>How many of you have a smart phone and/or tablet?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Peter+<br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'>--<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>Did you know? 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