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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle27><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Would
likely be an asset in international competition as well.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle27><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle27><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Michael S. Harrison<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, November 25, 2011
6:56 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] No
telemetry rule & new radio systems</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I
agree with what you are saying and that is how we currently do and perceive the
plane. However, this is a chance to embrace technology to make judging
fairer and easier reducing the bias, subjectivity and emotion the judge is
burdened with. The new technology, applied properly would make the
administration and work of putting on a contest much easier. How we see
and perceive the airplane would change to adapt to this new stuff and we could
fly accordingly. We would have to adapt the rules to fit, of course, but
it is doab le. I would love to see it. I would love to know the
truth about box violations, drifting, altitude changes, whatever, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I
think it would be a game changer and it would bring out the best/. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>That
is just me.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Mike
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bob Richards<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, November 24, 2011
12:05 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] No
telemetry rule & new radio systems</span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I did not mean it to sound like it is
pilot against judge. I'm just saying that it is unfair to be judged on
something that the pilot can't see. The judge and the pilot should see the
same thing from the same perspective. </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Take for instance the judging criteria
for looping maneuvers in IAC competition. The judges inherently can't see the
same perspective as the pilot, but they do judge only the things that the
pilot has the abiltiy to see and control from the cockpit. For instance they
do NOT judge constant radius, but instead judge constant rate of pitch
change. The pilot has no way to see or fly a constant radius. </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>In judging pattern, if the judges have
the information available to know that the plane drifted in/out 10' from one
end of a slow roll to the other then they would be inclined to
downgrade. I doubt most people would even be able to tell from the pilots
perspective that anything had drifted. It would frustrate the heck out of me
if I flew what looked like a perfect manuever only to be downgraded by
something I have no way of seeing.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Bob R.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br>
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--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Tue, 11/22/11, Michael S. Harrison <i><span
style='font-style:italic'><drmikedds@sbcglobal.net></span></i></span></b>
wrote:</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=yiv1341323470msonormal style='margin-right:.5in;margin-left:3.75pt;
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<div id=yiv1341323470>Bob,</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=yiv1341323470msonormal style='margin-right:.5in;margin-left:3.75pt;
border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:
0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>I respectfully
disagree. It is not a judging competition or a competition between
pilot and judge, it is a flying competition to determine who flies the most
perfectly. The judges job is to determine objectively who has done
that. I suggest that the judge use any means possible to do that and
that includes all reasonable technology. To say that a judges have an
advantage the pilot does not have is not an issue because it is not about
judges vs pilots, it is about how perfectly the pilot flies the
airplane. If this can all be determined by some form of technology that
is totally objective, then by all means we must embrace that. the rules
are to determine what tools the pilot have at his disposal to fly. </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=yiv1341323470msonormal style='margin-right:.5in;margin-left:3.75pt;
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
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<p class=yiv1341323470msonormal style='margin-right:.5in;margin-left:3.75pt;
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0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>I suggest the pilot
already has too many tools at his disposal. It is important that the
pilot have tools to protect his equipment and fly safely, but I suggest that
we have, in a sense, reduced our piloting skills to more of techno
skills. All the complex programming etc that goes into flying today
makes the differences in piloting almost mute. I would like to see the
caller restricted as well. It is about the best pilot, not the best
caller. I would like to see the rules made so that the caller is
allowed to call the maneuver only but that won’t happen. </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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