That would be sweet, I'd have a better chance of winning :-)<div><br></div><div>I do not agree with Telemetry being used as part of the judging criteria, nor do I agree with Telemetry data being used by a competitor for flight data, but I do believe that safety and airframe protection make sense from a telemetry perspective: system voltage, current draw, temperature, power even would seem prudent and not allow for a competitive advantage. GPS, heading, altitude, airspeed, etc. should be illegal for both judges and competitors. I could see altitude limiting functions being appropriate and necessary in a potential future if the FAA were to designate a maximum altitude for model aircraft operations regardless of proximity to full scale airports. But that would be a limiting/warning function, not an always present data point the pilot or caller could see.<br>
<div><br></div><div>Peter+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 10:10 AM, John Fuqua <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnfuqua@embarqmail.com">johnfuqua@embarqmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Why don’t we just let the best computer programmer win?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Murray Johnson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 25, 2011 11:16 AM</span></p><div class="im"><br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] No telemetry rule & new radio systems<u></u><u></u></div><p>
</p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I for one am all in favour of any kind of technology that will in even a small amount increase safety. I think with telemetry a lot of mechanical/electrical issues could be reported well before a real flight critical event happens. Any programmed parameter could trigger an alarm if that parameter is exceeded and at the very least save an airframe. Having said that, I am not in favour of any kind of information that may be passed either by the caller reading the tx screen or even verbally from the tx itself with regards to heading, altitude, speed or aircraft attitude. I think this would create a certain advantage and of course generate a cost increase in equipment. If this type of feedback from the airframe is allowed, we will all have to spend the big bucks just to remain competitive. Once we all have it......then what? The techno playing field has been leveled and it will still be the skill of the pilot which will determine the score outcome.......just as it is today without telemetry. Same with the contra drives but that is another touchy subject. If we are going to have an investment of 5k or so per airframe I think I will have to start looking for crash insurance. Or take up knitting.<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><div class="h5"><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 8:38 AM, John Ferrell <<a href="mailto:jferrell13@triad.rr.com" target="_blank">jferrell13@triad.rr.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">
On 11/25/2011 9:55 AM, Michael S. Harrison wrote: <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I agree with what you are saying and that is how we currently do and perceive the plane. However, this is a chance to embrace technology to make judging fairer and easier reducing the bias, subjectivity and emotion the judge is burdened with. The new technology, applied properly would make the administration and work of putting on a contest much easier. How we see and perceive the airplane would change to adapt to this new stuff and we could fly accordingly. We would have to adapt the rules to fit, of course, but it is doab le. I would love to see it. I would love to know the truth about box violations, drifting, altitude changes, whatever, etc.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I think it would be a game changer and it would bring out the best/. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">That is just me.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Mike </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">I have been out of Precision Aerobatics for quite a while now. Even when I was an eager enthusiast, I never developed the skills to be a successful competitor.<br>
It was never about winning or losing for me. No one ever enjoyed the game more than I.<br><br>Is the information provided by the new equipment really a problem? If it is available to all is it really a problem? <br><br>As I recall, there was a period where the TOC permitted the use of gyros. I think the idea was to provide a better show through the use of available technology. It did not take long for the top contestants to abandon their use. In addition to reduced reliability it was soon discovered that the best pilots preferred total control to limited control. When the rule was made to outlaw the gyros, no one cared because no one was using them anyway. The point: is this new equipment really a problem?<br>
<br>If the telemetry provides a higher degree of safety to person and/or property it is hard to justify not allowing it. <br><br>An onboard device that limits operation of the craft beyond the specified flight area could become a requirement in the near future. Think about it!<br>
<br>I have always felt that a constant speed controller for IC engines should be available to the fuel burners. Current rules simply prohibit it....<br><br>Back to lurking mode....<br><span style="color:#888888"><br> <br>
<br><br><u></u><u></u></span></p><pre><span style="color:#888888"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span style="color:#888888">-- <u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span style="color:#888888">John Ferrell W8CCW<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style="color:#888888">"The man who complains about the way the <u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span style="color:#888888">ball bounces is likely to be the one who dropped it."<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
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