Just my 2 cents. I think this technology would be best used to eliminate the judges. Take a few (box & center) gps coordinates before the contest and voila a judge who will work all day without lunch or a Bio break. Mike<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM, J N Hiller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">jnhiller@earthlink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">I wasn't going to get back into this but thanks to your thoughtful reply
I now have more questions / concerns we may need to be aware of before
adjusting rules.<u></u><u></u></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">If allowed I can envision telemetry expanding to include absolute positioning
of the flight plane, feedback to a processor giving the pilot audible
instructions during the flight similar to a good caller. Call this a virtual or
electronic caller helping the pilot with timely verbal advise throughout the
flight assist him in correcting any and all deviations from the required track.
<u></u><u></u></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">If we allow that only visual feedback be used but the pilot than the
rule needs to allow only system related data be available in real time, no
flight data.<u></u><u></u></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">If electronic flight sensor data is allowed need it be interpreted by a
biological assistant or should electronic processing of the raw data be allowed
resulting in usable pilot commands. Should the instructions talking electronic
device?<u></u><u></u></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">If we start nitpicking functionality within the rules we will be
revisiting the rule about as often as snap rolls. It appears to me every thing
except closed loop electronic flight command could be allowed. <u></u><u></u></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Disallowing advancing technology doesn't work for long. That sounds
familiar doesn't it. <u></u><u></u></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">The nice young lady in my truck computer does a good job assisting me
with navigation. I bet she could just as easily help me keep my RC airplane on that
invisible flight path as well as call the next maneuver. It admittedly wouldn't
be the same as a real live caller including selective additives in their verbal
suggestions.<u></u><u></u></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Looks like another move to the latest and greatest equipment few of us
would benefit from.<u></u><u></u></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Jim<u></u><u></u></span></font></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Ed Alt<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, November 21, 2011
10:27 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> NSRCA List<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] No
telemetry rule & new radio systems</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black">Is it
against the rules for your caller to mention that the engine sounds lean?
Can he tell you that it looks like you're dropping a wing in the corners? What
if he says you're drifting out to 200 meters, or that you just about
missed the pole on the turnaround? All of these things are in-flight
feedback, based on audible or visual feedback from the model, that you, the
pilot may or may not have observed as keenly as your caller. And you, as
the pilot, may or may not act on this feedback, which is different than an
automated closed loop feedback system. It's called free will. If
your caller grabs the sticks to fix any of these issues for you, it's another
matter entirely.<br>
<br>
So now there can be telemetry feedback. It is only a closed loop feedback
system if there is a mechanism in place to take specific action on that
feedback in a pre-determined fashion, which results in having corrected some
condition of flight with the model. How a low voltage warning could count
as closed loop feedback is debatable, but I guess that if it's OK for a hearing
imparied pilot to be assisted by a caller to land when there's an
engine problem, then it ought to be OK for an audible beep or a glance at
a telemetry display to clue you in on what's happening inside the model, before
it becomes a safety problem.<br>
<br>
Just for perspective, your servos and voltage regulators are all closed
loop feedback systems. So is the pressure regulator on a YS, if you
are still running one. None of those closed loop systems fly
the model for you. They only serve to stabilize that part of the
system that you are in command of.<br>
<br>
Ed<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in"><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black">From:
<a href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net" target="_blank">jnhiller@earthlink.net</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 09:12:15 -0800<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] No telemetry rule & new radio systems</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">"Closed Loop" ?? Dose this include information displayed
for pilot and or caller to use during a competition flight? Or only electronic?
If the info is displayed on the TX screen should it be blacked out during
flight? A beep for low voltage is obviously a good thing but much more than
that could be perceived as unequal advantage. Personally I don't have the time
or processing ability to deal with it in real time. Keeping track of what I'm
trying to do is about all I can manage.</span></font></span><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Jim</span></font></span><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </span></font></span><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black">-----Original
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Jay Marshall<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, November 21, 2011
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] No
telemetry rule & new radio systems</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d">“Good” and “No Good” are not the issue. As far as I am
concerned, all information can be “Good”. The issue is how it is used – no
closed loop control.</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1f497d"> </span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Harlow Solid Italic"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Harlow Solid Italic";color:#1f497d">Jay Marshall</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black">
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b><a href="mailto:rcmaster199@aol.com" target="_blank">rcmaster199@aol.com</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, November 21, 2011
10:44 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] No
telemetry rule & new radio systems</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">So,
who's gonna draft a replacement rule for the old, antiquated one? Sounds to me
like some types of telemetry are not a bad thing (airborne radio voltage,
servo condition, are two OTOH). Other types are no good (direction, rpm,
voltage/current of power supply, exhaust temp, etc)</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Verne Koester <<a href="mailto:verne@twmi.rr.com" target="_blank">verne@twmi.rr.com</a>><br>
To: 'General pattern discussion' <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Sent: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 10:24 am<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] No telemetry rule & new radio systems</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">They
were removed in mine as well. That was the last Futaba top tier radio that came
with good stiff springs.</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Verne</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Bob Richards<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, November 21, 2011
9:21 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] No
telemetry rule & new radio systems</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I think we all know what the intent of
the rule is, but I think we all agree that the rule needs to be modified to
make that clear.</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">As for a snap switch, it is not a
"control sequencing or control timing device" as it does not
initiate any kind of sequence or start any kind of timing event, IMHO. Does
anyone remember the very first Futaba 8SGA transmitters that DID have timers
on the snap switch function, such that when you activated the switch it would
deflect the different control surfaces for a predetermined amount of time
(programmable). In my transmitter, the adjustment pots for that had been
removed, presumably because of the rules against such functions.</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Bob R.</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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--- On <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sat, 11/19/11, John Ford <i><span style="font-style:italic"><<a href="mailto:astropattern@yahoo.com" target="_blank">astropattern@yahoo.com</a>></span></i></span></b>
wrote:</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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From: John Ford <<a href="mailto:astropattern@yahoo.com" target="_blank">astropattern@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] No telemetry rule & new radio systems<br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Date: Saturday, November 19, 2011, 8:03 PM</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I would speculate that the term
"feedback" means a closed control loop where the telemetry data
would actually become pre-programed data input to the TX software such that
throttle, rates, flight conditions, or mixes would actually be modified by
the software in real time. That would certainly be a game-changer! <br>
Just having open telemetry isn't an advantage...it's probably a distraction,
unless you alarm on Rx battery voltage or something like that. <br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 5:37 PM EST Peter Vogel wrote:<br>
<br>
>Hmm.<br>
><br>
>So I'm looking at section 4.4 of the AMA Competition regulations here:<br>
><a href="http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/2011-2012RCAerobatics1.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/2011-2012RCAerobatics1.pdf</a><br>
><br>
>I see the following emphasis mine:<br>
><br>
>Radio control equipment shall be of the open loop type<br>
>(i.e. *no electronic feedback from the model to the *<br>
>*ground*)<br>
><br>
>It then goes on to provide examples of what is/is not permitted:<br>
><br>
>Examples of control functions not permitted:<br>
>8) Electronic or other signal or feedback<br>
>from the model of *any kind.*<br>
><br>
>I believe the verbiage needs to be changed to reflect the spirit and
intent<br>
>of the rule, which is to prevent telemetry data (i.e. heading, airspeed,<br>
>etc.) that would provide an advantage in precision to the pilot flying
with<br>
>said equipment. Basic telemetry data such as the state of charge
for the<br>
>reciever and main system batteries (in the case of an electric) model<br>
>and/or engine/motor temperature, RPM, etc. provide no such advantage and<br>
>should be permitted as it enhances flight safety and provides some<br>
>protection for the airframes themselves.<br>
><br>
>Rex, says that "it goes on to say that the rule is to prevent<br>
>pre-programmed control of the aircraft such as timed snaps" but I
believe<br>
>those are distinct sentences, the RC equipment must be open loop with no<br>
>feedback from the model to the ground. Period, full stop.
Then it goes on<br>
>with additional requirements distinct from the RC TX/RX: Autopilots are<br>
>prohibited (i.e. devices such as the UAVDev board or Ardupilot or the new<br>
>AS3X from Horizon would be prohibited, even though they are not closed-loop<br>
>control systems. Further, automatic control sequencing or control
timing<br>
>devices (which I have always read as preventing the use of snap button<br>
>functions on modern computer transmitters) are prohibited. I've
wondered<br>
>how that last one is enforced given virtually every computer radio today<br>
>has the ability to assign a snap of any form to any switch or button on
the<br>
>transmitter and it would be difficult to check that snap functions are<br>
>inhibited in every contestent's TX. I have assumed the honor system<br>
>applies. I would expect the same honor system, with, perhaps, a
check of<br>
>winning pilot's telemetry systems in high-stakes events would be
sufficient<br>
>to relax the telemetry rule to allow basic telemetry systems such as the<br>
>Hitec, Graupner + Spektrum systems to be permitted.<br>
><br>
>Peter+<br>
><br>
>On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Richard Lewis <<a href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=humptybump%40sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">humptybump@sbcglobal.net</a>>wrote:<br>
><br>
>> The rule likely needs an update to verbage that is consistent with
current<br>
>> technology, but as long as there is no closed loop on any of the
telemetry<br>
>> it is well within the "spirit" of the rule to use/allow
these systems in<br>
>> pattern...<br>
>><br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>> *From:* Peter Vogel <<a href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vogel.peter%40gmail.com" target="_blank">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> *To:* "<a href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion%40lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>" <<a href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion%40lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> *Sent:* Fri, November 18, 2011 4:20:02 PM<br>
>><br>
>> *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] No telemetry rule & new radio
systems<br>
>><br>
>> I was just reading RCM&E (one of my favorite magazines) and
noticed that<br>
>> the latest systems from Graupner and Hitec have telemetry built-in
to all<br>
>> RX's, I suspect the others aren't far behind. With the current
rule<br>
>> against any form of downlink from the aircraft, it seems the newer
systems<br>
>> will be out of reach to those competing in pattern aerobatics.
I'm just in<br>
>> sportsman, any thought to relaxing the rule to restricting telemetry
that<br>
>> might actually be an advantage in competition as opposed to things
that can<br>
>> save an airframe like battery voltage data?<br>
>><br>
>> Peter+<br>
>><br>
>> Sent from my iPhone4S<br>
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