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Yeah, Murray, as my wife says, when *I* crash, all that's hurt is my
wallet and my pride.<br>
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Haven't flown a real plane for over 30 years, and don't plan on ever
doing it again. 'Course, at age 75, "ever" may not last very long...<br>
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On 10/5/2011 5:12 PM, Murray Johnson wrote:
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<div>It works on all Pitts models. Just like in the video clip if
there is an overcontrol applying anti-spin inputs a secondary opposite
spin will develope. That is, if a positive spin is overcontrolled a
negative spin will occur. Vice versa for a negative spin. The
Mueller-Beggs recovery is designed to bypass this condition by
instructing you to let go of the stick. An overcontrol is impossible
with this recovery technique. Problems occur when a pilot thinks he is
in a positive spin when in fact it may be negative as they look almost
identical from a cockpit POV, especially if the spin ensued from a
botched maneuver. Thinking he is applying anti-spin control inputs my
be exascerbating the spin mode. Panic finishes the excercise. In full
scale acro it is absolutely essential to get spin training if you want
to live to a ripe old age. Luckily when we do this with a model 99.999%
of the time we just walk away with a little lighter wallet. One of the
reasons why I switched!!</div>
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<div>Have a look at the clip of the "Beast" accident. He was a very,
very experienced pilot and see how the secondary spin occurs in the
attempted recovery.</div>
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<div>MJ<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Phil S. <span
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<div bgcolor="#ffcccc" text="#cc0000">Including the Pitts S-1-2??
I lost a student (not flying) to a Pitts crash one summer -- don't know
for sure what he was doing, but rumor had it he spun in...
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On 10/5/2011 12:17 PM, Murray Johnson wrote:
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<div>This is a very good re-visit of the Meuller-Beggs emergency
spin recovery that is taught in just about every aerobatic school
around. Power off, hands off (let go of the stick completely) and step
on the hard rudder. If the rudder feels soft and mushy, you've got the
wrong one!! Interestingly enough the only tested aerobatic design that
does not recover with this technique 100% of the time is the venerable
Citabria! It requires anti-spin control inputs to guarantee recovery.</div>
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<div>Cheers</div>
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<div>MJ<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 5:42 AM, George
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