<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type>
<META name=GENERATOR content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.19120">
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=#ffcccc text=#cc0000>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>I Forgot to Thank "George K" for the
initial post that I enjoyed the mental refresher. Never hurts to stretch
the "grey" to become an old pilot ~ not a bold one..
</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial> </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial> Del
</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=chuenkan@comcast.net href="mailto:chuenkan@comcast.net">Phil S.</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 05, 2011 5:51
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: AOPA
Aviation Summit: Think you know spins?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Yeah, Murray, as my wife says, when *I* crash, all that's hurt
is my wallet and my pride.<BR><BR>Haven't flown a real plane for over
30 years, and don't plan on ever doing it again. 'Course, at age
75, "ever" may not last very long...<BR><BR>On 10/5/2011 5:12 PM, Murray
Johnson wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE
cite=mid:CACxrK0v2GY25YRvZ4+kDQ7AxPD36X_8gQMMkeAgM6YHLC9EOVQ@mail.gmail.com
type="cite">
<DIV>It works on all Pitts models. Just like in the video clip if there is
an overcontrol applying anti-spin inputs a secondary opposite spin will
develope. That is, if a positive spin is overcontrolled a negative spin will
occur. Vice versa for a negative spin. The Mueller-Beggs recovery
is designed to bypass this condition by instructing you to let go
of the stick. An overcontrol is impossible with this recovery technique.
Problems occur when a pilot thinks he is in a positive spin when in fact it
may be negative as they look almost identical from a cockpit POV, especially
if the spin ensued from a botched maneuver. Thinking he is applying
anti-spin control inputs my be exascerbating the spin mode. Panic finishes
the excercise. In full scale acro it is absolutely essential to get spin
training if you want to live to a ripe old age. Luckily when we do this with
a model 99.999% of the time we just walk away with a little lighter wallet.
One of the reasons why I switched!!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Have a look at the clip of the "Beast" accident. He was a very, very
experienced pilot and see how the secondary spin occurs in the attempted
recovery.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>MJ<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Phil S. <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:chuenkan@comcast.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">chuenkan@comcast.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"
class=gmail_quote>
<DIV text="#cc0000" bgcolor="#ffcccc">Including the Pitts S-1-2?? I
lost a student (not flying) to a Pitts crash one summer -- don't know for
sure what he was doing, but rumor had it he spun in...
<DIV>
<DIV class=h5><BR><BR>On 10/5/2011 12:17 PM, Murray Johnson wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<DIV>This is a very good re-visit of the Meuller-Beggs emergency spin
recovery that is taught in just about every aerobatic school around.
Power off, hands off (let go of the stick completely) and step on the
hard rudder. If the rudder feels soft and mushy, you've got the wrong
one!! Interestingly enough the only tested aerobatic design that does
not recover with this technique 100% of the time is the venerable
Citabria! It requires anti-spin control inputs to guarantee
recovery.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Cheers</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>MJ<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 5:42 AM, George Kennie
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:geobet4evr@gmail.com" target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">geobet4evr@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"
class=gmail_quote>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><BR><BR><BR><BR><A
href="http://www.aopa.org/summit/news/2011/110929think-you-know-spins.html?WT.mc_id=110930epilot&WT.mc_sect=tts"
target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.aopa.org/summit/news/2011/110929think-you-know-spins.html?WT.mc_i<BR>d=110930epilot&WT.mc_sect=tts</A><BR><BR></DIV><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion
mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR><A
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion"
target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><PRE><FIELDSET></FIELDSET>
_______________________________________________
NSRCA-discussion mailing list
<A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank moz-do-not-send="true">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>
<A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target=_blank moz-do-not-send="true">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR></DIV></DIV><FONT
color=#888888><PRE cols="72">--
Phil Spelt, KCRC President
AMA 1294 Scientific Leader Member
SPA 177 Board Member
(865) 435-1476v, (865) 604-0541c</PRE></FONT></DIV><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion
mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR><A
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion"
target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><PRE wrap=""><FIELDSET class=mimeAttachmentHeader></FIELDSET>
_______________________________________________
NSRCA-discussion mailing list
<A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><PRE class=moz-signature cols="72">--
Phil Spelt, KCRC President
AMA 1294 Scientific Leader Member
SPA 177 Board Member
(865) 435-1476v, (865) 604-0541c</PRE>
<P>
<HR>
<P></P>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion
mailing
list<BR>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>