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I was afraid that would be the case. I am well aware of the airplane requirements regarding power required for various "missions". It's just that I was not sure that the two ESCs would work together, due to the feedback from the motor to the ESC.<div><br></div><div>We'd have tried an E prop with less pitch or smaller diameter or both, but didn't have the right props with us.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the input.</div><div><br></div><div>Ron</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 3, 2011, at 9:38 AM, Peter Vogel wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Hi Ron,<div><br></div><div>I don't think you can Y the motor connections that way, the ESC's are putting out pulses very specifically timed to move the motor through to the next set of poles and rotate it in the correct direction while one of the three leads (and it changes for each phase of the rotation) is used to sense the position of the motor to time the next magnetic pulse. Unless the ESC's are in *perfect* sync they will wind up fighting each other and could even misinterpret the pulses from the other ESC as a timing pulse from the motor. </div> <div><br></div><div>There are no shortcuts to a proper electric power system. Prop, Motor, ESC + Batteries should be chosen to deliver the right amount of power (Watts) + thrust to fly the airplane for the mission intended (70 watts/lb of all up weight for a trainer, 200 watts/lb for aerobatic sport flying, 300 watts/lb for 3D -- as a general rule of thumb). Most motor manufacturers will publish prop charts showing the amp draw on the intended voltage for the motor, you should look for a prop that will not overtax the motor/ESC combo on the voltage you are planning to use.</div> <div><br></div><div>Remember that an electric power system is a *constant speed* system, as opposed to an internal combustion system which is constant power. What that means is that the motor has a rated kV, the rotations per minute per volt and whatever load you put on the motor (prop) the motor will try to spin at that speed and pull as many amps as it needs in order to do that. Also remember that if you are measuring watts on the ground holding the plane, that's a static measurement and the load should drop somewhat when the prop is allowed to pull the plane through the air, reducing the current. Adding volts to the same motor (i.e. going to 6s batteries) doesn't necessarily help because that motor's kV is the same, it may, in fact, make things worse. If you want to go to 6s, you need to get a motor with a different wind to reduce the kV so that you are getting the same RPM as you did at 5s with the other motor. THEN you will reduce amp draw by about 20% because you increased voltage by about 20% and you are still delivering the same watts.</div> <div><br></div><div>If he's running 71 watts in a static test at wide open throttle, I'd consider reducing the diameter of the prop by 1 inch or reducing the pitch of the prop by 1 inch, that should get him into a reasonable range for a 60 amp ESC (though I prefer about a 20% headroom -- check the amps at WOT after propping down and if it's at or near 60 the unload in real flight should give you about 10% headroom).</div> <div><br></div><div>Peter+</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Ronald Van Putte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> I have an off-the-wall question that I don't have the answer to. Somebody please tell me the answer.<br> <br> A young local modeler has an electric-powered airplane whose motor puts out 1200 watts. He has 5S lipo batteries that will handle the load. In a ground test, the maximum current was 71 amps, He had tried a 45 amp and a 60 amp ESC and they failed. Hence the reason for the ground test and confirmation that he needed an ESC with a higher amp capacity.<br> <br> I went looking at BP Hobbies for one of their inexpensive BP ESCs with an 80 amp capacity and they no longer sell them. Other high amp ESCs are $100+<br> <br> Here's the question: Can he put two 40 watt ESCs in parallel? Both would go to the throttle channel via a Y-adapter and the motor connections would be similarly Yed together.<br> <br> I was also thinking of having him use a 6S battery pack and limit the throttle to 60 amps, but I'm not sure he has the room for the battery pack.<br> <br> Ron Van Putte<br> ______________________________<u></u>_________________<br> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.<u></u>org</a><br> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/<u></u>mailman/listinfo/nsrca-<u></u>discussion</a><br> </blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Did you know? 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