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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In practice I think a 20% loss from the generator output to the lipo input…..plug losses, wiring losses, PS loss, charger loss, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Using Honda 2000 Inverter, IOTA supplies, and TP chargers (1010 and 820).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Kane<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Luminex Power supply<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Ah . . . the "Fashion Factor". That is more difficult to measure. :)<br><br>FWIW, I want a nice 4-stroke generator also, mainly to avoid mixing the gas and oil.<br><br>I have no idea how hard you plan to recharge your batteries. I personally use a 1C rate, which is roughly 210 watts for a 5000mAH 10S pack (4.2V/cell*10cells*5A). The math here is pretty simple, double the charge rate, double the power. 2 packs at the same time, double the power. Assuming a 12V supply and factoring a 10% loss to heat (thanks Mark), you will need at least a 40A capable power supply to charge 2 10S packs at 5 amps at the same time. At this power consumption you are using roughly half of what the Harbor Freight generator is rated, a safe place to be.<br><br>Also, look at eBay for 4 stroke generators, there are some non-Honda units out there that look reasonable.<br><br>Bob Kane<br><a href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com">getterflash@yahoo.com</a><br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 7/13/11, Scott McHarg <i><<a href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com">scmcharg@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>From: Scott McHarg <<a href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com">scmcharg@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Luminex Power supply<br>To: "General pattern discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Date: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 1:18 PM<o:p></o:p></p><div id=yiv1051262026><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Bob,<br> Thank you VERY much. This is good news! I still want a nice generator...maybe for Christmas but it's good to know my Harbor Freight cheapy is OK. :) Thank y'all again!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Bob Kane <<a href="/mc/compose?to=getterflash@yahoo.com" target="_blank">getterflash@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>I feel compelled to respond to this . . . . <br><br>While it is true many electric powered devices are sensitive to the frequency of the incoming AC power (linear power supplies and anything that contains one, classic TVs, AC motors and anything that contains one, etc.), digital power supplies are not as sensitive. They rectify the incoming AC power directly into DC to power their own high frequency generator (this is what the "switching" part of the name is all about) which in turn goes through a transformer and is rectified again to produce DC power. There is a rule in transformars that the size of the transformer for a given power rating is inversely proportional to the operating frequency. So by generating a very high frequency AC signal, the transformer can be much smaller for a given power rating than the equivalent 60Htz transformer. That is why a 600 watt switching power supply is much smaller and lighter than the linear equivalent.<br><br>In the end, as long as you are not at the power limits of a cheap generator, I would not worry about it.<br><br><br>Bob Kane<br><a href="/mc/compose?to=getterflash@yahoo.com" target="_blank">getterflash@yahoo.com</a><br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 7/11/11, Keith Hoard <i><<a href="/mc/compose?to=khoard@gmail.com" target="_blank">khoard@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>From: Keith Hoard <<a href="/mc/compose?to=khoard@gmail.com" target="_blank">khoard@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Luminex Power supply<br>To: "General pattern discussion" <<a href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 5:30 PM<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Scott,<br><br>Something I learned from one of our club members who owns an HVAC business. . . get a generator with an inverter. The cheaper generators (like my $199 Tractor Supply special) are basically an alternator connected to a Bliggs & Sratton motor with a mechanical governor keeping it on speed. <br>.<br>If you start approaching its power limits or the motor begins losing it rhythm, bad things happen with the volts and Hertz and then you let the magic smoke out of your power supplies and chargers in a big $$$$-shaped cloud.<br clear=all><br>Keith Hoard<br>Collierville, TN<br><a href="http://mc/compose?to=khoard@gmail.com" target="_blank">khoard@gmail.com</a><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Scott McHarg <<a href="http://mc/compose?to=scmcharg@gmail.com" target="_blank">scmcharg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks Mark. I appreciate this. I was looking at the Luminex Chris Moon sells and just wondering if my little generator would hold up. <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Atwood, Mark <<a href="http://mc/compose?to=atwoodm@paragon-inc.com" target="_blank">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The math is correct, but you need to add about a 10% loss factor, or even a little more. My Iota 55am power supply under a full 55amp load pulls about 850. More importantly, my Iota will frequently deliver in excess of that 55amps for short periods of time and draw over 900. I'm currently using a Honda 1000watt generator without any problems.<br><br><br>Mark Atwood<br>Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President<br>5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124<br>Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Fax: 440.684.3102<br><a href="http://mc/compose?to=mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com" target="_blank">mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</a><mailto:<a href="http://mc/compose?to=mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com" target="_blank">mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</a>> | <a href="http://www.paragon-inc.com" target="_blank">www.paragon-inc.com</a><<a href="http://www.paragon-inc.com/" target="_blank">http://www.paragon-inc.com/</a>><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><br>On Jul 11, 2011, at 3:24 PM, Scott McHarg wrote:<br><br>Can someone give me a rough idea of how big a generator I need to run the Luminex power supply? I have a small 2-stroke 800W generator from Harbor Freight but not sure how to tell how many Watts I need to power the Luminex supply. Volt x Amps=Watts? So, can I draw the conclusion that something that puts out 55 Amps at 13.4 Volts needs 737 Watts input?<br><br>Thanks y'all,<br>Scott<br><br>--<br>Scott A. McHarg<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="http://mc/compose?to=NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="http://mc/compose?to=NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="http://mc/compose?to=NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>-- <br></span><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#3333FF'>Scott A. 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