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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Results for the Jetero Pattern Shootout, Huffman, Tx is available on <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://pages.suddenlink.net/donramsey">http://pages.suddenlink.net/donramsey</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>dr<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 27, 2011 9:51 AM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] A question for the experts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Matt,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Also the stall turn lines has to be equal in length (unless is a turnaround). Therefore, the only way to do it is by having the height of the middle loop at the same altitude of the entrance and exit lines because all loop elements has to have equal radius. In conclusion, using the individual description of the maneuver we can conclude that the height of the all loop elements in the figure M has to be the same.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks, <br><br>Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: rcmaster199@aol.com<br>To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 9:02:27 AM<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] A question for the experts<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I too have an issue to bring out on the M....... specifically the F3A M<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>A question, or closer to a statement actually, was posed to me at the recent contest regardng the height of the middle looping element.....that it did not have to have the same height as the entry/exit looping elements; that it specifically was not written anywhere so it didn't exist.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>My response is that the geometry must be preserved. As long as I've flown pattern, this maneuver's geometry always required the looping elements to be at the same height. The way I see it, if looping element heights are to be different, we should see some verbiage to that effect in maneuver description<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I don't have the maneuver description handy so if someone would please post it, I'd appreciate it<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>regards<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>MattK<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: tocdon <tocdon@netscape.net><br>To: nsrca-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 11:34 pm<br>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] A question for the experts<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="AOLMsgPart_2_3635ebf8-1139-4da0-904f-b560627f0d43"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>A question for the judging experts.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Figure M, both Masters and FAI- Yes I know the bottom line rule the best presentation gets the best score, but a technical question.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Maneuver flow in a crosswind. Plane starts maneuver at 140 meters distance out. During the first stall turn the plane drifts out (recall this is a stalled maneuver); second stall turn the plane drifts out again (same). Now the plane wind corrects in all other aspects of the maneuver but exits approximately 20 meters further out than the entry and no defects observed, but exit distance is 160 meters. What is the score given for this maneuver?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br>Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Don<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="AOLMsgPart_3_3635ebf8-1139-4da0-904f-b560627f0d43"><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>