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Derek,<br>
<br>
This was a one-off opportunity that we missed. The teams that do
have junior entries this year have multiple classes as stepping
stones, just as we do.<br>
We should have, as the host country, have extended the opportunity
to one of our younger fliers. It would have been a cherished memory
for someone regardless of whether this WC provided the incentive to
become a full team member down the road or was instead the pinnacle
of a short pattern career ending, as so many do, in college, careers
and family.<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
On 5/30/2011 7:30 PM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:
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73, 125);">All registrations for entry to the WCs had to be
in by April 30<sup>th</sup>… so yes, it is too late to
submit an entry. I also feel that since we never had anyone
qualify then we shouldn’t choose a junior just for the sake
of doing so – there is a defined process (for regular team
members) and I think we should follow it. Unlike some
countries, we fly several classes as stepping stones to F3A
– several countries only fly F3A, so it is easier for them
to choose someone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>John Gayer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 30, 2011 7:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Junior Members
for World Team<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Arch,<br>
I completely agree that we need a process for future years.
Apparently there will be a formal junior competition in two
years and we need to be ready to field a team for 2013.
Whether or not the incentive of having a World Junior
competition is good for junior development is something we can
discuss down the road. Clearly it will be an expensive
proposition when competing overseas.<br>
This year I believe we need to offer the opportunity to a
qualified under 18 to compete in the Worlds <i>this</i> year
which is right around the corner. I don't know and haven't
heard whether this is even possible at this late date(Derek?).<br>
You mention several young pilots although it does not appear
that they are currently flying F3A.<br>
Do they feel qualified and/or want to participate? <br>
Perhaps we should solicit applications in the next week for
qualified applicants who want to compete at the WC. Might only
be a couple to choose from. At best we need a candidate very
soon. Otherwise, it's already too late.<br>
John<br>
<br>
On 5/30/2011 8:18 AM, Archie Stafford wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>I disagree. I think it does need to be formal. Joseph Szczur competed a<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>couple of years ago in FAI and was a Jr, but is now flying Advanced and has<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>a good shot at winning this year. Riley Kissenberth has won the NATS in<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Intermediate and Advanced back to back years. Brandon made the finals in<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Masters 2 years ago. They are all great pilots and there are others out<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>there, so its not fair to just pick one. You need to have a basis on making<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>that decision. I think long term we are better served, making it announced<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>at future team selection years, which could open up another can of worms.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>You would then have kids flying Intermediate fly FAI that year, just for a<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>shot at the team, then back down, which is fine, except I think you are not<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>really helping their development. I think the process needs to be developed<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>and put in place, not just send someone to say we sent someone.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Arch<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>On 5/30/11 9:29 AM, "Vicente "Vince" Bortone" <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net"><vicenterc@comcast.net></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>I agree 100 %. It is a great opportunity. The selection process does not<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>need to be that formal. You never know, this could be a "chick" that will<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>allow us to discover the next champion.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Vicente "Vince" Bortone<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>From: John Gayer &lt;jgghome@comcast.net&gt;<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>To: General pattern discussion &lt;nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org&gt;<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Sent: Mon, 30 May 2011 13:18:02 -0000 (UTC)<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Junior Members for World Team<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Derek,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Since noone qualified through the NAts last year, could we extend an<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>invitation to an under-18 who is currently flying F3A? Perhaps by making<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>a selection through how many competitors the candidate has beat in<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>contests this year? There can't be that many to choose from.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>I suggest that the opportunity to compete in a world championship<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>against the best in the world would be a very memorable experience for<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>one of our kids regardless of trophies, etc. Whenever there has been an<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>opportunity to field a fourth entry as World Champion, we have done so,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>even to the possible detriment of our team standing at the WC. I suggest<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>this would be in the same spirit without any downside impact to the team.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>John<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>On 5/30/2011 12:01 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>The Junior category for F3A is only effective starting in 2012. A<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>decision to include junior's was made by the CIAM F3A Sub-Committee<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>chair in November last year and got the approval of the CIAM committee<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>in early December at the CIAM meeting (which I did not attend). The<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>first I heard about this was the middle of January when we were<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>getting ready to publish the first bulletin for the WCs. This WC will<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>not offer a "Junior" World Champion -- there will only be a "highest<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>placing Junior" if there are more than 3 Junior's competing.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>One other point to consider... there were NO junior's participating at<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>the Nats in F3A last year (2010). The only person that was listed to<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>participate was Brandon Landry and he never competed last year. It<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>would be a little hard to choose a junior when we didn't have any<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>competing...<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>*From:*nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>[<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] *On Behalf Of *John<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Gayer<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>*Sent:* Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:10 PM<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>*To:* General pattern discussion<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>*Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Junior Members for World Team<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>That would be our CIAM representative, Derek Koopowitz. However, I<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>have no idea if he was the representative when the current rules for<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>2011 came up for a vote.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>After that, Al Glenn as team manager should be familiar with the rules.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>And of course anyone now flying F3A should also have read the rules.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Still I can see how this might be overlooked. After all, there appear<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>to be only two countries who did not overlook it. However the question<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>now should be: can we still propose a junior at this late date and do<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>we have one that is ready to step in? Were there any juniors or<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>seniors that flew F3A in last year's Nats??<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>On 5/29/2011 7:44 PM, Ronald Van Putte wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>I keep wondering who in the U.S. should have been "minding the store"<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>on this subject. If other countries picked up on adding a junior<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>member on their team, why didn't we?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Ron<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>On May 29, 2011, at 8:31 PM, Bob Richards wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Then I guess the only alternative is to send no junior? Seems to me<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>that if we get a quick consensus to use the Nats results, it should<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>all be good.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>JMHO,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Bob R.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>--- On *Fri, 5/27/11, Joe Lachowski /<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jlachow@hotmail.com">jlachow@hotmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jlachow@hotmail.com"><mailto:jlachow@hotmail.com></a>>/* wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>From: Joe Lachowski <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jlachow@hotmail.com">jlachow@hotmail.com</a> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jlachow@hotmail.com"><mailto:jlachow@hotmail.com></a>><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Junior Members for World Team<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>To: "NSRCA Discussion List" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a>><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Date: Friday, May 27, 2011, 10:38 PM<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>I believe none particitated in the team selection process?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Picking someone based on anything else would open a can of worms.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
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<pre>Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 11:11:51 -0600<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>From: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">jgghome@comcast.net</a> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net"><mailto:jgghome@comcast.net></a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Looking at the AMA site for the Worlds, I notice that several<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>teams have<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>added a fourth junior member to their teams as per the new rules.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>It is rather disappointing to me at least that we, as the host<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>nation,<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>have not given any of our juniors(under 18) a chance to compete<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>at the<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>world level against other international juniors.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
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