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Arch,<br>
I completely agree that we need a process for future years.
Apparently there will be a formal junior competition in two years
and we need to be ready to field a team for 2013. Whether or not the
incentive of having a World Junior competition is good for junior
development is something we can discuss down the road. Clearly it
will be an expensive proposition when competing overseas.<br>
This year I believe we need to offer the opportunity to a qualified
under 18 to compete in the Worlds <i>this</i> year which is right
around the corner. I don't know and haven't heard whether this is
even possible at this late date(Derek?).<br>
You mention several young pilots although it does not appear that
they are currently flying F3A.<br>
Do they feel qualified and/or want to participate? <br>
Perhaps we should solicit applications in the next week for
qualified applicants who want to compete at the WC. Might only be a
couple to choose from. At best we need a candidate very soon.
Otherwise, it's already too late.<br>
John<br>
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On 5/30/2011 8:18 AM, Archie Stafford wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I disagree. I think it does need to be formal. Joseph Szczur competed a
couple of years ago in FAI and was a Jr, but is now flying Advanced and has
a good shot at winning this year. Riley Kissenberth has won the NATS in
Intermediate and Advanced back to back years. Brandon made the finals in
Masters 2 years ago. They are all great pilots and there are others out
there, so its not fair to just pick one. You need to have a basis on making
that decision. I think long term we are better served, making it announced
at future team selection years, which could open up another can of worms.
You would then have kids flying Intermediate fly FAI that year, just for a
shot at the team, then back down, which is fine, except I think you are not
really helping their development. I think the process needs to be developed
and put in place, not just send someone to say we sent someone.
Arch
On 5/30/11 9:29 AM, "Vicente "Vince" Bortone" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net"><vicenterc@comcast.net></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I agree 100 %. It is a great opportunity. The selection process does not
need to be that formal. You never know, this could be a "chick" that will
allow us to discover the next champion.
Vicente "Vince" Bortone
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From: John Gayer &lt;jgghome@comcast.net&gt;
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Sent: Mon, 30 May 2011 13:18:02 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Junior Members for World Team
Derek,
Since noone qualified through the NAts last year, could we extend an
invitation to an under-18 who is currently flying F3A? Perhaps by making
a selection through how many competitors the candidate has beat in
contests this year? There can't be that many to choose from.
I suggest that the opportunity to compete in a world championship
against the best in the world would be a very memorable experience for
one of our kids regardless of trophies, etc. Whenever there has been an
opportunity to field a fourth entry as World Champion, we have done so,
even to the possible detriment of our team standing at the WC. I suggest
this would be in the same spirit without any downside impact to the team.
John
On 5/30/2011 12:01 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:
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The Junior category for F3A is only effective starting in 2012. A
decision to include junior's was made by the CIAM F3A Sub-Committee
chair in November last year and got the approval of the CIAM committee
in early December at the CIAM meeting (which I did not attend). The
first I heard about this was the middle of January when we were
getting ready to publish the first bulletin for the WCs. This WC will
not offer a "Junior" World Champion -- there will only be a "highest
placing Junior" if there are more than 3 Junior's competing.
One other point to consider... there were NO junior's participating at
the Nats in F3A last year (2010). The only person that was listed to
participate was Brandon Landry and he never competed last year. It
would be a little hard to choose a junior when we didn't have any
competing...
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*To:* General pattern discussion
*Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Junior Members for World Team
That would be our CIAM representative, Derek Koopowitz. However, I
have no idea if he was the representative when the current rules for
2011 came up for a vote.
After that, Al Glenn as team manager should be familiar with the rules.
And of course anyone now flying F3A should also have read the rules.
Still I can see how this might be overlooked. After all, there appear
to be only two countries who did not overlook it. However the question
now should be: can we still propose a junior at this late date and do
we have one that is ready to step in? Were there any juniors or
seniors that flew F3A in last year's Nats??
On 5/29/2011 7:44 PM, Ronald Van Putte wrote:
I keep wondering who in the U.S. should have been "minding the store"
on this subject. If other countries picked up on adding a junior
member on their team, why didn't we?
Ron
On May 29, 2011, at 8:31 PM, Bob Richards wrote:
Then I guess the only alternative is to send no junior? Seems to me
that if we get a quick consensus to use the Nats results, it should
all be good.
JMHO,
Bob R.
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I believe none particitated in the team selection process?
Picking someone based on anything else would open a can of worms.
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Looking at the AMA site for the Worlds, I notice that several
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It is rather disappointing to me at least that we, as the host
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