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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=873354216-27052011><FONT color=#0000ff
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Scott
McHarg<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 27, 2011 11:04 AM<BR><B>To:</B> General
pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] A question for the
experts<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Mr. Watson,<BR> Does this mean you will be flying FAI
soon?<BR><BR>Warmest Regards,<BR> A soon to be Masters guy<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Glen Watson <SPAN
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href="mailto:ghwatson@comcast.net">ghwatson@comcast.net</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote><BR><BR>Dave, presents a good argument to fly FAI vs.
AMA...AMA is judge more<BR>harshly.<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original
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On Behalf Of Dave Lockhart<BR>Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 10:12 AM<BR>To:
'General pattern discussion'<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] A question for
the experts<BR><BR>Matt,<BR><BR>If you are judging by the rules, your answer
must be different for FAI -<BR><BR>5B.8 WIND CORRECTION<BR>All manoeuvres are
required to be wind corrected in such a way that the<BR>shape of the maneouvre
as described in Annex 5A. is preserved in the model<BR>aircraft's
flight. The exceptions to this grading criterion are in the<BR>stall
turns, and spins, where the model is in a stalled condition.<BR><BR>My opinion
is that the AMA book should be updated to be consistent with the<BR>FAI book
on this topic, and the FAI book is clearly better suited to the<BR>real world
dynamics of stall turns in windy conditions.<BR><BR>To answer Don's original
question -<BR>For AMA, by the book, - the maneuver is downgraded for
drift.<BR>For FAI, by the book, - the maneuver is not downgraded for
drift.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Dave Lockhart<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original
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On Behalf Of<BR><A
href="mailto:mjfrederick@cox.net">mjfrederick@cox.net</A><BR>Sent: Friday, May
27, 2011 8:53 AM<BR>To: General pattern discussion<BR>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] A question for the experts<BR><BR>I'm not sure where the
notion came from that wind drift during a stall turn<BR>is not downgraded. In
AMA judging criteria the only maneuver that<BR>specifically mentions that no
downgrade is given for wind drift is the spin,<BR>and that is only DURING the
stalled portion of the maneuver. In a "stall"<BR>turn there is no true stall
of the wing as there is in a spin. If flown with<BR>the proper wind
corrections on the up- and down-lines there should be no<BR>noticable
deviation in distance. If there is, the maneuver should be<BR>downgraded
because the pilot failed to make the proper wind correction. Even<BR>if there
was a slight drift during the 180 turn at the apex of the lines,<BR>the pilot
should recognize that and incorporate the proper adjustment to the<BR>downline
to bring the aircraft back to the original starting distance. To<BR>me, it's
no different than turbulence that might cause the aircraft to<BR>temporarily
deviate from straight and level flight. Adjustments must be made<BR>to return
the airplane to th e original line. I don't feel like pulling up<BR>the
FAI rule book, so I just won't go there, but I'm not sure if my
answer<BR>would be any different.<BR><BR>Matt<BR><BR><BR>---- <A
href="mailto:tocdon@netscape.net">tocdon@netscape.net</A> wrote:<BR><BR>A
question for the judging experts.<BR><BR>Figure M, both Masters and FAI- Yes I
know the bottom line rule the best<BR>presentation gets the best score, but a
technical question.<BR><BR>Maneuver flow in a crosswind. Plane
starts maneuver at 140 meters distance<BR>out. During the first stall
turn the plane drifts out (recall this is a<BR>stalled maneuver); second stall
turn the plane drifts out again (same). Now<BR>the plane wind corrects
in all other aspects of the maneuver but exits<BR>approximately 20 meters
further out than the entry and no defects observed,<BR>but exit distance is
160 meters. What is the score given for this maneuver?<BR><BR>Best
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