<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">ROFLMAO...Retired Navy...Never served at the Pentagon, but I did have friends there...LMAO!!!!<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 3/30/11, Ronald Van Putte <I><vanputte@cox.net></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV id=yiv848196955>Geez! You just hit my "hot button". When I was in the Air Force, I was stationed at Andrews AFB, across the river from the Pentagon, and, when we got in discussions with the "Pentagon types", sooner or later, one of them would make an elaborate statement, followed by, "Only my opinion, I could be wrong." Arrrrgh!
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<DIV>Sorry for the rant. I will now resume normal operations.</DIV>
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<DIV>What color is the gummy/greasy stuff...If it is caused by arcing, then I suspect it is probably blackish in color. If yes, it is probably a carbon type residue or similar biproduct of excessive heat and the metal in question. Why gummy/greasy...carbon or the residue is probaly picking up moisture from the air depending on humidity...</DIV>
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<DIV>Yes, contact cleaner should work, but be careful. Some of them will attack the plastic...I recommend just wipe of with a dry cloth and clean the rest off with an eraser (pencil) for the male side which is probably the offending half...</DIV>
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<DIV>Only my opinion, I could be wrong... ;^ )</DIV>
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<DIV>Larry<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 3/30/11, <A href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=AtwoodDon@aol.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:AtwoodDon@aol.com">AtwoodDon@aol.com</A> <I><<A href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=AtwoodDon@aol.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:AtwoodDon@aol.com">AtwoodDon@aol.com</A>></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>I have had the same experience as Earl with regards to the Dean's Ultra connectors. I use a Deans male as a shorting plug so it gets connected and disconnected each flight. The spark does occur at the tip of the negative contact and gradually erodes it but as Earl says, the tip is not the contact surface, it is the flat side of the blade so no contact area is lost. Over 1000 flights on one shorting plug and no problems or loss of performance. Contact cleaner does work well at cleaning up the gummy residue that forms. Anyone have any idea what that gummy/greasy stuff is or where it comes from?</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 3/30/2011 7:40:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, <A href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ejhaury@comcast.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:ejhaury@comcast.net">ejhaury@comcast.net</A> writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>Let's leave the DWT alone!<BR><BR>I'll chime in with a different perspective on connectors though. As <BR>mentioned, there can be a good deal of variance with bullets. Providing good <BR>tension isn't easy and maintaining it over repeated use is even more <BR>difficult. Some designs work better than others and folks experiencing good <BR>service have done their homework. Bullets are also easy to solder to heavy <BR>gauge leads.<BR><BR>OTOH - I've very good service from the Deans Ultra. The attractive part of <BR>the design (to me) is that they're simply buss bars held together with <BR>spring tension. The surface area of the bars is way more than we need for <BR>contact and the thickness is plenty for handling the amps. They do get a <BR>little nasty looking on the ends - but I haven't found that
to significantly <BR>reduce contact area or function. In cutting the "female" side apart after <BR>1000+ flights I found no degradation of anything except the entrance end <BR>where the arc occurs, the wear pattern demonstrated full contact. They are <BR>more difficult to solder leads to and can easily be ruined in the process. <BR>If the plastic is melted allowing the bar to become misaligned, full contact <BR>will not be achieved.<BR><BR>Also , either connecter will benefit from an occasional cleaning with a good <BR>contact cleaner.<BR><BR>Great to have choices!<BR><BR>Earl<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Ronald Van Putte" <<A href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputte@cox.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</A>><BR>To: "General pattern discussion" <<A href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 9:15 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] bullets<BR><BR><BR>I am definitely not going to argue with Verne on this one. He's had<BR>more experience than I do on this subject. However, if somebody<BR>wants to debate the "downwind turn", let's get started. <vbg><BR><BR>Ron<BR><BR>On Mar 30, 2011, at 8:42 AM, <<A href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=verne@twmi.rr.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:verne@twmi.rr.com">verne@twmi.rr.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR>> FWIW, the 5.5 mm connectors I used were of the slotted variety. I ended <BR>> up abandoning those after discovering too much variance from one <BR>> manufacturer to the next and sometimes within the same manufacturer. I <BR>> had connectors that ranged all the way from too loose to make a
good <BR>> connection to so tight that you couldn't put them together. The bulge you <BR>> mention in the 4mm connectors is actually the "spring" that compensates <BR>> for slight tolerance variances. I agree that there's not as much contact <BR>> area as the slotted type, but it comes down to how much is enough? From <BR>> my experience, the 4mm work just fine without the hassle of trying to <BR>> find connectors to match what you've already got on all your batteries, <BR>> charge leads, and so on. It gets a little pricey to start all over and <BR>> I've done it twice. With the 4mm, I just add as I go without a hitch.<BR>><BR>> Verne<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ---- Ronald Van Putte <<A href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputte@cox.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>>
=============<BR>> I have gotten these "no bulge/slotted design" connectors from two<BR>> sources: HobbyKing and BidProduct. You have to look at the pictures<BR>> carefully to see that they are the "no bulge/slotted design".<BR>><BR>> I really like BidProduct for acquiring large quantities of the<BR>> smaller items, like connectors, extensions and hardware for my small<BR>> hobby shop. Many items can be purchased with free shipping.<BR>><BR>> Ron<BR>><BR>> On Mar 30, 2011, at 4:09 AM, <A href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Houdini76@aol.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:Houdini76@aol.com">Houdini76@aol.com</A> wrote:<BR>><BR>>> Ron, what brand of connectors has the no bulge/slotted design? Do<BR>>> you use 4, 5 or 6mm?<BR>>><BR>>> Rob<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> In a message dated 3/29/2011 8:01:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight
Time,<BR>>> <A href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputte@cox.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</A> writes:<BR>>> Good stuff Verne.<BR>>><BR>>> I have noticed the difference in bullet connector design. I used<BR>>> to buy 3.5mm bullet connectors which had a "bulge" in the center of<BR>>> the male part. Recently, I noticed some 3.5mm bullet connectors<BR>>> which had no "bulge" in the male part. They push into the female<BR>>> part because there's a chamfer on the tip of the male part, which<BR>>> compresses the slotted male connector so it will fit into the<BR>>> female part. The big advantage of this design is that virtually<BR>>> all of the connector is mated with the other half, unlike the ones<BR>>> with a "bulge", which have significantly reduced contact area.<BR>>> Then I noticed
that you can buy this same design in 4mm, 5mm and<BR>>> 6mm bullet connectors. My opinion - these are far superior.<BR>>><BR>>> Ron<BR>>><BR>>> On Mar 29, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Verne Koester wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>> Jerry,<BR>>>><BR>>>> I started out with Deans Ultra’s. They worked fine but didn’t wear<BR>>>> too well. The arc from connecting them together was really chewing<BR>>>> them up. Then I switched to 5.5mm bullets. Those worked great and<BR>>>> the arc did damage where it didn’t matter. The problem I<BR>>>> discovered later was when I needed some more. Not all 5.5mm are<BR>>>> created equal and I ran into some serious fit problems from one<BR>>>> batch to the next. I noticed that most of the Europeans were using<BR>>>> 4mm bullets. These are made a little different than the 5.5mm<BR>>>> and
have more “spring” in them so the tolerances don’t have to<BR>>>> be so close. Like the 5.5mm bullets, the arc damage happens on the<BR>>>> very tip which is not part of the actual electrical connection.<BR>>>> I’ve been very happy with the 4mm bullets and will be starting my<BR>>>> third season with them. BTW, I never noticed any power changes<BR>>>> from the Deans to the 5.5’s to the 4’s. Hope this helps.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> Verne Koester<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<A href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:nsrca-">mailto:nsrca-</A><BR>>>> <A href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] On Behalf Of Jerry Stebbins<BR>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 5:29 PM<BR>>>> To: Discussion -NSRCA<BR>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] bullets<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> All E's. What size bullets have you settled on for your packs/ESC<BR>>>> connections? Seems like something that would sorta get<BR>>>> standardized after a lot of 70A usage. I have heard from 3.5 to<BR>>>> 6.0. Would think it would work itself out to support the nominal<BR>>>> max. I that most see. I am sure 3D needs all they can get but for<BR>>>> AMA/FAI patterns seems like it otta round off pretty close for<BR>>>> most using 5s packs.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Thanks ahead<BR>>>><BR>>>> Jerry<BR>>>><BR>>>>
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