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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I asked the last time this came up, and I’ll
ask again because it seems clear to me, but I did not get the answer I was
expecting. In my interpretation, the statement ‘</span></font><font
size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Automatic control sequencing (preprogramming)
or automatic control timing devices are prohibited’</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> implies to me that much of the automated logic programming being
done on the Futaba 12z and 14mz (automated release of elevator in a snap due to
rudder/throttle stick positions, for example), would be illegal. Last time I asked
for clarification, I was told this is indeed permitted. It would also seem that
Section 8 below, </span></font><font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Electronic
or other signal or feedback from the model of any kind </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>means telemetry to the pilot during flight is also not permitted.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Richard Lewis<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, October 29, 2010
3:20 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Aurora</st1:place></st1:City> review</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Slow Friday........the rulebook (Section 4.4) specifies "Open-Loop
type" controls and uses the verbage "Control Functions Not
Permitted" in the example section where electronic feedback is
addressed....the DX8 clearly does NOT close the loop on any feedback parameters
and the feedback telemetry is clearly NOT used as a control function
in the flight control system...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>4.4: Equipment Functions. </span></font></b><font size=2><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Radio control equipment shall be of the open loop type
(i.e. no electronic feedback from the model to the ground). Auto pilot control
utilizing inertia, light, gravity, or any other type of terrestrial reference
is prohibited. Automatic control sequencing (preprogramming) or automatic
control timing devices are prohibited. </span></font>RCA-3 <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>Examples of control functions permitted: <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>1) </span></font></b><font size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Control rate or control movement limit devices that are manually
switched by the pilot. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>2) </span></font></b><font size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Any type of button, dial switch, or lever control that is initiated and
terminated by the pilot. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>3) </span></font></b><font size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Manually operated switches to couple control functions. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>Examples of control functions not <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>permitted: <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>1) </span></font></b><font size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Snap buttons with automatic timing mode. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>2) </span></font></b><font size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Preprogramming devices to automatically perform a series of commands. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>3) </span></font></b><font size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Automatic leveling or stabilization in any axis (gyros, etc.). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>4) </span></font></b><font size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Propeller pitch change with automatic timing mode. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>5) </span></font></b><font size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Any type voice recognition system. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>6) </span></font></b><font size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Any type of learning function involving maneuver to maneuver or flight
to flight analysis. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>7) </span></font></b><font size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Model navigation or positioning systems (GPS, distance, or height
sensors, etc.). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>8) </span></font></b><font size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Electronic or other signal or feedback from the model of any kind. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>9) </span></font></b><font size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Engine management systems that coordinate power output with model performance,
position, or attitude. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Tim
Taylor <timsautopro@yahoo.com><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName> <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Fri, October 29, 2010
1:58:56 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Aurora</st1:place></st1:City> review</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>By the rule book the DX8 would be clearly illegal
for pattern because of the telemetry. I doubt anyone would declare it
so however.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Tim<br>
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--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Fri, 10/29/10, Phil Spelt <i><span
style='font-style:italic'><chuenkan@comcast.net></span></i></span></b>
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From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan@comcast.net><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Aurora</st1:place></st1:City>
review<br>
To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Date: Friday, October 29, 2010, 1:23 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Jerry,<br>
<br>
If you don't need more than 8 channels, I'd recommend the new DX-8 -- has
telemetry back to the Tx for 4 data sources. I have one. The
sticks re really silky and the 11 ms frame rate is VERY fast... $430.00 for
Tx, Rx and telemetry module...<br>
<br>
At 12:17 PM 10/29/2010, you wrote:<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Jon, thanks for the input. I have decided to replace my
old Stylus (1995 version) and have started checking around. Looks like 2.4 is
the way to go.<br>
Jerry</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>----- Original Message
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>From: <a
href="http://us.mc623.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jonlowe@aol.com"
target="_blank">Jon Lowe</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>To: <a
href="http://us.mc623.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Sent: Friday, October
29, 2010 9:35 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Aurora</st1:place></st1:City> review<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Jerry, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I just had one and sold it. Reasons:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>No stick switches<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>No split expo on each side of
neutral. I use split expo, especially on elevator.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Mine came with the infamous stick
deadband on three axes and I ended up sending it back twice to get it
properly repaired.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Lockouts/glitching. Found a
burned/corroded antenna connection in the receiver and sent it back for
repair. Another <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Aurora</st1:place></st1:City>
9 flyer also had glitching/lockouts at our field.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Only had digital throttle trim, and it cannot be mixed or
assigned to a slider such that it only acts on low throttle.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>They promise lots of feature updates via firmware, but are
VERY slow in releasing anything. And they won't say exactly what will
be in the next release. Bugs in heli and sailplane setups.
Requires purchase of a separate box to update firmware. Website in <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Korea</st1:place></st1:country-region> that
has the updates has had frequent outages. You CANNOT download the
firmware and install it later. You MUST be hooked to the internet and
download it real time. My perception is that they are more enthralled with
telemetry (that was a year late in being released) than in getting the basic
system up to snuff. Oh, and as far as I know, they still haven't
released the 72mHz module promised last fall, if that is of any concern.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Was glad to get rid of mine.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Jon Lowe<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>From: Jerry Stebbins
<JAStebbins@att.net><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>To: Discussion -NSRCA
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Sent: Fri, Oct 29, 2010 8:40 am<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Aurora</st1:place></st1:City> review<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I seem to remember someone did a
vey thorough review of this radio a short while back. Does anyone remember
who, and what Magazine-when?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial'>Jerry</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>There are only two types of aircraft --
fighters and targets.<br>
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