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Dave,<br>
<br>
With regard to the Aussie system, it is completely possible to
remain in a lower class forever. If you are not improving but only
maintaining a current skill level due to lack of time or other
reasons, you will probably stagnate in a class.<br>
When I was there, expert and masters both flew the current F3A
pattern. I gather that has changed somewhat now but 20 years ago it
was true. I was in the expert class and due to work pressures, etc I
did not have the time(and perhaps the ability) to gain promotional
points to Masters(F3A), even with coaching from Peter Goldsmith(I
still have a Lotus in my workshop). <br>
I believe that most of that expert group has since made it to
Masters(F3A). Gavin Dark and Brian McFarlane come to mind but at
that time we were definitely mired in Expert without any promotion
points in sight. Would it be possible to game the system to stay in
a class? Yes, I suppose it would be but all I saw was a lot of
eagerness to reach the next level. <br>
<br>
I have no problem with Masters being a destination class. As I have
stated a number of times, I consider it improper for Masters to be
the <u>only</u> class that is not required to advance to the next
level. I've tried to make the point that while I have flown in
higher classes(usually not well) I am very happy and competitive in
Advanced, at least for the time being.<br>
There are two ways to fix the advancement issue:<br>
<ol>
<li>Require Masters to advance to the F3A pattern</li>
<li>Offer all the other classes the opportunity to self-regulate
their advancement as well. I've already suggested one method of
doing this in an earlier post.<br>
</li>
</ol>
Every argument I've heard for not requiring Masters to advance makes
sense. What doesn't make sense is why the Masters pilots think these
arguments apply only to them. <br>
Seems to me that the Masters pilots should get on board the second
solution....<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
On 9/24/2010 4:43 PM, Dave wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: navy;">John,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Please correct
me if I am wrong –<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: navy;">With regard to
the Aussie advancement
system, is it not possible for a pilot to stay
in a mid level class forever? Never
achieving promotional points and never dropping
below minimums?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: navy;">You point out
that more complex maneuvers
and winning at higher levels are drivers for
pilots to improve and advance, but
they are not the only drivers. Many pilots
practice pattern alone and
never compete, because they are singularly
driving themselves to a higher
level. There is a limit to competitive
drive….and a limit to
personal drive. I’d suggest you have more of
both than most, and
that is not a bad thing – for you.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: navy;">I think the
point that you are missing
yourself, or not seeing as valued by others is
that many are happy at a given
level, and don’t want to be pushed further.
They have climbed as
far as they want to, have resources for, are
comfortable with, etc. If
they are pushed further unwillingly, they quite
possibly will leave the event.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
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Dave Lockhart<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf
Of </span></b>John Gayer<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Friday, September 24, 2010
5:19 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
<st1:personname w:st="on">General pattern
discussion</st1:personname><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
FW: Proposed NSRCA sequences for2011 andbeyond</span></font><font
color="black"><span style="color: windowtext;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Glen,<br>
<br>
If you don't want to be forced to move to FAI,
then you must accept that there
are those in other classes who do not wish to
advance to the next class either.
Peer pressure and the challenge of learning more
complex maneuvers and doing
better at a higher level are expected to work
for Sportsman through Advanced
but not for Masters? <br>
<br>
While F3A maneuvers are controlled by the FAI,
there is nothing international
about doing a loop with an integrated 8 point.
It is, however, a
challenge to do well. Why are so many of the
Masters flyers disinterested in
new challenges, new maneuvers, new competition?
These are the things that drove
them to excel in the lower classes and in
Masters and then it all stops?<br>
<br>
I would think that winning the NATS in any class
would lead one to look around
and say "where's the next hill to climb?"<br>
<br>
I firmly believe there needs to be some changes
made in the advancement
process. It should be the same across the board
for all classes including
Masters.<br>
In the past I have suggested abolishing the
current advancement rules and
replacing it with the following:<br>
<br>
</span></font><font color="#3333ff"><span
style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">A competitor
will select the class to be flown during the
calendar year. This selected class
may be any higher class or the next lower class
than that flown in the previous
calendar year. The set of classes referred to is
401-404 and 406.</span></font><br>
<br>
This would at least make advancement requirements
consistent for all
participants and is very easy to enforce.<br>
<br>
John Gayer<br>
AMA 75102<br>
NSRCA 632<br>
ex Sportsman, Advanced, Expert. Master, F3A and now
thoroughly challenged by
Advanced(again)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 9/24/2010 2:22 PM, Glen Watson wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial"
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</xml><![endif]-->...I probably meet Dave's description of a Masters'
pilot who
chooses not to compete in an International
class. There are many personal
reason why this is the case. i.e. desire, age,
dollars, time etc.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: blue;">It's amazing
to me the same issues are
raised year-to-year about changing the current
establishment (AMA rules) to
meet one's needs. Instead of trying to force
someone like me to
move-on to FAI why can't the pilots who view
someone like me as a
potential sandbagger work a bit harder in their
respective class
to become as competitive as they can. I do not
mean to come across
arrogant, just voicing my opinion regarding
attitude's I've witness
from the pattern community. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: blue;">I recognize
the level of time, money and
commitment it takes to achieve excellence.
That's why I enjoy the sport
of pattern, it's the challenge of being
competitive within the stated
rules.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: blue;">~Glen Watson</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: blue;">AMA 136878</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: blue;">NSRCA 2293</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Dave<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Friday, September 24, 2010
11:32 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
'<st1:personname w:st="on">General pattern
discussion</st1:personname>'<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
FW: Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 andbeyond</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: navy;">John,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: navy;">I’m not quite
sure how to respond as
I think my commentary made perfect sense.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: navy;">I’ll try it
another way –<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: navy;">The <st1:country-region
u4:st="on"><st1:place u4:st="on"><st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region></st1:place></st1:country-region>
has a substantial number of pilots that do not
aspire to international
competition. Many Masters pilots have expressed
the opinion that if they
were required to fly a more difficult schedule,
or fly multiple schedules, they
would drop out of the event. So why force them
into a class that contains
elements they clearly don’t want, and for which
they have virtually no
input or control? How does chasing people out
of the event benefit
pattern in the <st1:country-region u4:st="on"><st1:place
u4:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region></st1:place></st1:country-region>?<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: navy;">With respect
to “</span></font>ALL
the lower classes and maneuvers are selected by
someone else(the sequence
committee)”<o:p></o:p></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: navy;">I couldn’t
disagree more. The
Seq Com has always been comprised of pilots from
all classes, and the direction
taken by the Seq Com has always been based on
survey results and feedback from
the masses. “Someone else” is us, just like the
judges are us.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Regards,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Dave Lockhart<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf
Of </span></b>John Gayer<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Friday, September 24, 2010
12:09 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
<st1:personname w:st="on">General pattern
discussion</st1:personname><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
FW: Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and
beyond</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<u1:p></u1:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">That
makes no sense. Every other country has resolved
the issue of having their own internal classes
and then finally advancing their
best pilots to F3A. Just because the maneuvers
are selected by an international
committee on which we are represented is not a
reason to preclude F3A from an
advancement process. We only have Turnaround
pattern in this country because
the FAI led the way and we decided to follow
rather than go the way of the
dodo.<br>
>From my point of view, ALL the lower classes
and maneuvers are selected by
someone else(the sequence committee). For F3A
that committe is international.
So what?<br>
<br>
John Gayer<br>
NSRCA 632<br>
<br>
On 9/24/2010 8:36 AM, Dave wrote: <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><u5:smarttagtype
name="country-region"
namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><u5:smarttagtype
name="place"
namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><u5:smarttagtype
name="State"
namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><u5:smarttagtype
name="City"
namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<u5:shapedefaults u2:ext="edit" spidmax="1026"/>
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<u5:shapelayout u3:ext="edit">
<u5:idmap u3:ext="edit" data="1"/>
</u5:shapelayout>
</xml><![endif]-->I believe the practical perspective is that FAI-F3A is
an AMA
class, but it does not run in accordance
with AMA rules (except where FAI is
silent), and AMA has virtually no
control over F3A. Given AMA has no
control over F3A, that is a key point in
not requiring advancement to F3A from
Masters.<u5:p></u5:p></u5:smarttagtype></u5:smarttagtype></u5:smarttagtype></u5:smarttagtype></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Regards,<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Dave Lockhart<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf
Of </span></b>Gene Maurice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Friday, September 24, 2010
8:18 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
'<st1:personname w:st="on">General pattern
discussion</st1:personname>'<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond</span></font><u5:p></u5:p><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><u5:p> </u5:p><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Sorry, FAI is an AMA
class, 406, it’s only that the Sporting Code
supersedes,
doesn’t replace, the AMA rule book and the
exemption from advancement.
>From the 2009-2010 rule book:<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">RADIO CONTROL
PATTERN <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">For events 401, 402,
403, 404, 406. <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">7. Pattern event
classes: The Pattern event shall<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">be divided into five
(5) classes. The first four (4<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">shall (in order of
increasing difficulty) be <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">referred to as
Sportsman, Intermediate, <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Advanced, and
Masters. The fifth class shall be <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">referred to as the
FAI class. The Sportsman class<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">is supplemental (see
Supplemental and <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Provisional Rules,
page 2). Competitors must be<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">advised prior to the
start of the contest of any <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">planned deviations
from standard AMA rules <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">pertaining to the
events they have entered. <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">19. FAI Pattern
Maneuvers: The FAI class <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">shall fly according
to the current FAI RC <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Aerobatics (F3A)
rules. The noise limit shall be <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">the current noise
limit used in AMA competition <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">for classes 401-404,
except in the case of a <st1:place u6:st="on"><st1:country-region
u6:st="on"><st1:country-region u4:st="on"><st1:place
u4:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region></st1:place></st1:country-region></st1:country-region></st1:place>
<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Team Selection
contest, where the noise limit <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">shall be the current
FAI noise rule. The builder-<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">of-the-model rule,
if any, shall not be enforced. <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">The AMA Competition
Regulations will be <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">applied when the FAI
Sporting Code is silent on, <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">or does not provide
guidance concerning the <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">conduct or rules of
the FAI - F3A events. <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> 8.2.5: There
is no mandatory <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">advancement into FAI
from the Masters class. <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Contestants may
enter their current AMA class <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">or the FAI class at
any contest but not both.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Gene Maurice<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><a
href="mailto:gene.maurice@sgmservice.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">gene.maurice@sgmservice.com</a><u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><st1:place u6:st="on"><st1:city
u6:st="on"><st1:place u4:st="on"><st1:city
u4:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city
w:st="on"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Dallas</span></span></font></st1:city><font
color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></font></st1:place></st1:city><font
color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2">, <st1:state
w:st="on"><st1:state u6:st="on"><st1:state
u4:st="on">GA</st1:state></st1:state></st1:state></font></st1:place></st1:city></st1:place><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<u5:p></u5:p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">AMA 3408<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">NSRCA 877<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">PACSS.sgmservice.com<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Dave Harmon<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Friday, September 24, 2010
12:19 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
'<st1:personname w:st="on">General pattern
discussion</st1:personname>'<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><u5:p> </u5:p><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Hi
Vince….well….FAI/F3A is not an AMA
class…..Masters and below
ARE….so…FAI/F3A cannot be a destination class
for an AMA event.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Dave
Harmon<u5:p></u5:p></span></span></font></b><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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586<u5:p></u5:p></span></span></font></b><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net<u5:p></u5:p></span></span></font></b><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Sperry,
Ok.<u5:p></u5:p></span></span></font></b><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
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face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Vicente "Vince"
Bortone<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, September 23, 2010
9:24 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
<st1:personname w:st="on">General pattern
discussion</st1:personname><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">I
think that making FAI-F3A destination class
will be
easier natural solution. How we are going to
organize local contests
having one additional class?<br>
<br>
Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Dave Harmon" <a
href="mailto:k6xyz@sbcglobal.net"
moz-do-not-send="true"><k6xyz@sbcglobal.net></a><br>
To: "<st1:personname w:st="on">General pattern
discussion</st1:personname>"
<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><br>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:12:00 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA
sequences for 2011 and beyond<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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time because the new class would <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times
New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12pt; font-family: "Times New
Roman";">be populated from the
other classes….like Masters and
Intermediate.<<<<u5:p></u5:p><u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times
New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12pt; font-family: "Times New
Roman";">arrrrgghhh……I
meant Advanced……another class between Advanced
and Masters.<u5:p></u5:p><u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times
New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:
12pt; font-family: "Times New
Roman";">Sorry….<u5:p></u5:p><u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
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style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
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Harmon</span></span></font></b><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<u5:p></u5:p>
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586</span></span></font></b><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<u5:p></u5:p>
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rgb(31, 73, 125); font-weight: bold;">K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net</span></span></font></b><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
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Ok.</span></span></font></b><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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