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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>John,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Please correct me if I am wrong –<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>With regard to the Aussie advancement
system, is it not possible for a pilot to stay in a mid level class forever? Never
achieving promotional points and never dropping below minimums?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You point out that more complex maneuvers
and winning at higher levels are drivers for pilots to improve and advance, but
they are not the only drivers. Many pilots practice pattern alone and
never compete, because they are singularly driving themselves to a higher
level. There is a limit to competitive drive….and a limit to
personal drive. I’d suggest you have more of both than most, and
that is not a bad thing – for you.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think the point that you are missing
yourself, or not seeing as valued by others is that many are happy at a given
level, and don’t want to be pushed further. They have climbed as
far as they want to, have resources for, are comfortable with, etc. If
they are pushed further unwillingly, they quite possibly will leave the event.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><br>
Dave Lockhart<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
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color:windowtext'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>John Gayer<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 24, 2010
5:19 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
FW: Proposed NSRCA sequences for2011 andbeyond</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Glen,<br>
<br>
If you don't want to be forced to move to FAI, then you must accept that there
are those in other classes who do not wish to advance to the next class either.
Peer pressure and the challenge of learning more complex maneuvers and doing
better at a higher level are expected to work for Sportsman through Advanced
but not for Masters? <br>
<br>
While F3A maneuvers are controlled by the FAI, there is nothing international
about doing a loop with an integrated 8 point. It is, however, a
challenge to do well. Why are so many of the Masters flyers disinterested in
new challenges, new maneuvers, new competition? These are the things that drove
them to excel in the lower classes and in Masters and then it all stops?<br>
<br>
I would think that winning the NATS in any class would lead one to look around
and say "where's the next hill to climb?"<br>
<br>
I firmly believe there needs to be some changes made in the advancement
process. It should be the same across the board for all classes including
Masters.<br>
In the past I have suggested abolishing the current advancement rules and
replacing it with the following:<br>
<br>
</span></font><font color="#3333ff"><span style='color:#3333FF'>A competitor
will select the class to be flown during the calendar year. This selected class
may be any higher class or the next lower class than that flown in the previous
calendar year. The set of classes referred to is 401-404 and 406.</span></font><br>
<br>
This would at least make advancement requirements consistent for all
participants and is very easy to enforce.<br>
<br>
John Gayer<br>
AMA 75102<br>
NSRCA 632<br>
ex Sportsman, Advanced, Expert. Master, F3A and now thoroughly challenged by
Advanced(again)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 9/24/2010 2:22 PM, Glen Watson wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><u1:smarttagtype name="country-region" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></u1:smarttagtype><u1:smarttagtype name="place" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></u1:smarttagtype><u1:smarttagtype name="State" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></u1:smarttagtype><u1:smarttagtype name="City" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></u1:smarttagtype><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
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</xml><![endif]-->...I probably meet Dave's description of a Masters' pilot who
chooses not to compete in an International class. There are many personal
reason why this is the case. i.e. desire, age, dollars, time etc.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>It's amazing to me the same issues are
raised year-to-year about changing the current establishment (AMA rules) to
meet one's needs. Instead of trying to force someone like me to
move-on to FAI why can't the pilots who view someone like me as a
potential sandbagger work a bit harder in their respective class
to become as competitive as they can. I do not mean to come across
arrogant, just voicing my opinion regarding attitude's I've witness
from the pattern community. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I recognize the level of time, money and
commitment it takes to achieve excellence. That's why I enjoy the sport
of pattern, it's the challenge of being competitive within the stated
rules.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>~Glen Watson</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>AMA 136878</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>NSRCA 2293</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dave<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 24, 2010
11:32 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
FW: Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 andbeyond</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>John,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’m not quite sure how to respond as
I think my commentary made perfect sense.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’ll try it another way –<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The <st1:country-region u4:st="on"><st1:place u4:st="on"><st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region></st1:place></st1:country-region>
has a substantial number of pilots that do not aspire to international
competition. Many Masters pilots have expressed the opinion that if they
were required to fly a more difficult schedule, or fly multiple schedules, they
would drop out of the event. So why force them into a class that contains
elements they clearly don’t want, and for which they have virtually no
input or control? How does chasing people out of the event benefit
pattern in the <st1:country-region u4:st="on"><st1:place u4:st="on"><st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region></st1:place></st1:country-region>?<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>With respect to “</span></font>ALL
the lower classes and maneuvers are selected by someone else(the sequence
committee)”<o:p></o:p></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I couldn’t disagree more. The
Seq Com has always been comprised of pilots from all classes, and the direction
taken by the Seq Com has always been based on survey results and feedback from
the masses. “Someone else” is us, just like the judges are us.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><br>
Dave Lockhart<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>John Gayer<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 24, 2010
12:09 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
FW: Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<u1:p></u1:p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>That makes no sense. Every other country has resolved
the issue of having their own internal classes and then finally advancing their
best pilots to F3A. Just because the maneuvers are selected by an international
committee on which we are represented is not a reason to preclude F3A from an
advancement process. We only have Turnaround pattern in this country because
the FAI led the way and we decided to follow rather than go the way of the
dodo.<br>
>From my point of view, ALL the lower classes and maneuvers are selected by
someone else(the sequence committee). For F3A that committe is international.
So what?<br>
<br>
John Gayer<br>
NSRCA 632<br>
<br>
On 9/24/2010 8:36 AM, Dave wrote: <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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</xml><![endif]-->I believe the practical perspective is that FAI-F3A is an AMA
class, but it does not run in accordance with AMA rules (except where FAI is
silent), and AMA has virtually no control over F3A. Given AMA has no
control over F3A, that is a key point in not requiring advancement to F3A from
Masters.<u5:p></u5:p></u5:smarttagtype></u5:smarttagtype></u5:smarttagtype></u5:smarttagtype></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dave Lockhart<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" moz-do-not-send=true>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
moz-do-not-send=true>mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Gene Maurice<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 24, 2010
8:18 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond</span></font><u5:p></u5:p><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><u5:p> </u5:p><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Sorry, FAI is an AMA
class, 406, it’s only that the Sporting Code supersedes,
doesn’t replace, the AMA rule book and the exemption from advancement.
>From the 2009-2010 rule book:<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>RADIO CONTROL
PATTERN <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>For events 401, 402,
403, 404, 406. <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>7. Pattern event
classes: The Pattern event shall<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>be divided into five
(5) classes. The first four (4<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>shall (in order of
increasing difficulty) be <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>referred to as
Sportsman, Intermediate, <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Advanced, and
Masters. The fifth class shall be <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>referred to as the
FAI class. The Sportsman class<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>is supplemental (see
Supplemental and <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Provisional Rules,
page 2). Competitors must be<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>advised prior to the
start of the contest of any <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>planned deviations
from standard AMA rules <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>pertaining to the
events they have entered. <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>19. FAI Pattern
Maneuvers: The FAI class <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>shall fly according
to the current FAI RC <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Aerobatics (F3A)
rules. The noise limit shall be <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>the current noise
limit used in AMA competition <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>for classes 401-404,
except in the case of a <st1:place u6:st="on"><st1:country-region u6:st="on"><st1:country-region u4:st="on"><st1:place u4:st="on"><st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region></st1:country-region></st1:place></st1:place></st1:country-region>
<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Team Selection
contest, where the noise limit <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>shall be the current
FAI noise rule. The builder-<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>of-the-model rule,
if any, shall not be enforced. <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>The AMA Competition
Regulations will be <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>applied when the FAI
Sporting Code is silent on, <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>or does not provide
guidance concerning the <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>conduct or rules of
the FAI - F3A events. <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> 8.2.5: There
is no mandatory <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>advancement into FAI
from the Masters class. <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Contestants may
enter their current AMA class <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>or the FAI class at
any contest but not both.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Gene Maurice<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><a
href="mailto:gene.maurice@sgmservice.com" moz-do-not-send=true>gene.maurice@sgmservice.com</a><u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:place u6:st="on"><st1:city u6:st="on"><st1:place u4:st="on"><st1:city u4:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='color:rgb(31, 73, 125)'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Dallas</span></span></font></st1:City><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'></st1:city></st1:place>, <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:state u6:st="on"><st1:state u4:st="on">GA</st1:State></span></st1:state></st1:state></font></st1:place></st1:city></st1:place><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<u5:p></u5:p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>AMA 3408<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>NSRCA 877<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>PACSS.sgmservice.com<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" moz-do-not-send=true>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
moz-do-not-send=true>mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dave Harmon<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 24, 2010
12:19 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><u5:p> </u5:p><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Hi
Vince….well….FAI/F3A is not an AMA class…..Masters and below
ARE….so…FAI/F3A cannot be a destination class for an AMA event.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D;font-weight:
bold'><span style='color:rgb(31, 73, 125)'>Dave
Harmon<u5:p></u5:p></span></span></font></b><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D;font-weight:
bold'><span style='color:rgb(31, 73, 125)'>NSRCA
586<u5:p></u5:p></span></span></font></b><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D;font-weight:
bold'><span style='color:rgb(31, 73, 125)'>K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net<u5:p></u5:p></span></span></font></b><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D;font-weight:
bold'><span style='color:rgb(31, 73, 125)'>Sperry,
Ok.<u5:p></u5:p></span></span></font></b><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" moz-do-not-send=true>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
moz-do-not-send=true>mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Vicente "Vince"
Bortone<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September 23, 2010
9:24 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><u5:p> </u5:p><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I think that making FAI-F3A destination class will be
easier natural solution. How we are going to organize local contests
having one additional class?<br>
<br>
Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br>
<br>
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From: "Dave Harmon" <a href="mailto:k6xyz@sbcglobal.net"
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To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>"
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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time because the new class would <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New\000D\000A Roman"'>be populated from the
other classes….like Masters and Intermediate.<<<<u5:p></u5:p><u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New\000D\000A Roman"'>arrrrgghhh……I
meant Advanced……another class between Advanced and Masters.<u5:p></u5:p><u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New\000D\000A Roman"'>Sorry….<u5:p></u5:p><u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times\000D\000A Ne"'> <u5:p></u5:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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bold'>NSRCA 586</span></span></font></b><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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bold'>Sperry, Ok.</span></span></font></b><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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