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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Unless
there is mandatory advancement to FAI little will change.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim Hiller<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>John Gayer<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September 23, 2010
8:12 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond</span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>We knew you meant
Advanced.<br>
We have trouble in this part of the country getting enough pilots in each class
so there is some competition. It can be very discouraging to drive hundreds of
miles and end up the sole participant in your class. The last thing we need is
to add a class to avoid fixing the problem in Masters. If Masters
progresses to F3A then the pressure to upgrade Masters as a destination class
would ease off.<br>
<br>
Perhaps we <u>should</u> look to IMAC for some ideas. Around this part of the
country (southwest) they are outdrawing pattern two to one and there are
at least twice as many contests available. This is with planes that are at
least as expensive than ours. BTW, Arch, the 1/4 circle with one roll
starts in Intermediate not Sportsman.<br>
<br>
So what are they doing?</span></font><font face="Arial Unicode MS"><span
style='font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>1.<font
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]>They have a common scoring system for all
contests that <u>must</u> be used.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>2.<font
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]>They spice up a contest by having unknown
patterns for all classes except Basic. The unknowns are created for the whole
year by some committee. The CD just requests the unknowns for the weekend of
the contest.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>3.<font
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]>They maintain season standings and
individual contest results for all participants on a regional basis which is
all available on one website. These regional standings can qualify you for
entry in competitions such as the Tucson Shootout.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>4.<font
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]>The patterns for all classes are only 10
maneuvers long and you fly the sequence twice in each flight, Landings and
takeoffs are not scored and you are expected to takeoff before the competitor
preceding you has landed which keeps things flowing pretty well<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>5.<font
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]>There are additional separate results
kept for Seniors with season point totals as well<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>6.<font
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]>There is usually an optional Freestyle
competition that appeals mostly to the kids<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>7.<font
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></font><![endif]>They change patterns every year.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>In any case, IMAC is
where you find the kids and the young adults, not at a Pattern contest.
At our pattern contest last week we had 6 Sportsman flyers, all in their first
contest. The age spread was 47 to 67. In fact the 47 year was the second
youngest competitor overall as we had an intermediate contestant who was only
43. The only kid on the field was a 12 year old that was helping out as a
club member.<br>
The last IMAC contest here in Albuquerque had two contestants under 13
and I would say that all age groups were well represented. <br>
<br>
I don't believe there is anything that would "turnaround" the current
skewing in pattern towards old farts but we could try some of the concepts IMAC
is using. Certainly IMAC appears to have a much better handle on patterns
and scoring. With a one year cycle on patterns it would be easy for the
committe to respond to specific objections about patterns "we'll look imto
that next year. Meanwhile just fly what we gave you". Also a
National scoring system and website presentation of results and standings would
be a big help.<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 9/23/2010 6:12 PM, Dave Harmon wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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</xml><![endif]-->>></span></font> time because the new class would <u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>be populated from the
other classes….like Masters and Intermediate.<<<<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>arrrrgghhh……I meant
Advanced……another class between Advanced and Masters.<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Sorry….<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> </u5:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-weight:bold'>Dave Harmon<u5:p></u5:p></span></span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Archie Stafford<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September 23, 2010
6:59 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond<u5:p></u5:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>We arent talking about
totally changing everything. Unfortunately the average age of pattern flyers is
constantly getting older. There are a few young new faces but not many. Many of
those also fly helis or IMAC and at some point they will migrate that way. The
planes have progressed, the equipment has progressed, but unfortunately a lot
of the mindsets haven't. Adding new maneuvers which arent more difficult, but
add new skills is essential in the progression of the sport. The sequences need
to be designed to be a challenge for the top 50%, not made easier for those not
there. Like it or not, Masters is a destination class and the skill level
should reflect that. If guys dont have time to practice or skill levels are
diminishing then avenues for them to move back a class. Not comparing us and
IMAC, but in there sportsman sequence theyhave guys doing partial rolling
circles. I have seen the pilots, they are certainly no better than our
intermediate pilots. Their schedules FORCE guys to try new things. Its OK to
try new things. Most people will find they arent as difficult as we think. No
Im not advocating rolling circles, but how many pattern guys ever go out and
just fly. Trying new maneuvers and trying to learn new skills. It will really
improve your flying skills. OK. Ill shut up on the subject now. <u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Arch<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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