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We knew you meant Advanced.<br>
We have trouble in this part of the country getting enough pilots in
each class so there is some competition. It can be very discouraging
to drive hundreds of miles and end up the sole participant in your
class. The last thing we need is to add a class to avoid fixing the
problem in Masters. If Masters progresses to F3A then the pressure
to upgrade Masters as a destination class would ease off.<br>
<br>
Perhaps we <u>should</u> look to IMAC for some ideas. Around this
part of the country (southwest) they are outdrawing pattern two to
one and there are at least twice as many contests available. This is
with planes that are at least as expensive than ours. BTW, Arch, the
1/4 circle with one roll starts in Intermediate not Sportsman.<br>
<br>
So what are they doing?<br>
<ol>
<li>They have a common scoring system for all contests that <u>must</u>
be used.</li>
<li>They spice up a contest by having unknown patterns for all
classes except Basic. The unknowns are created for the whole
year by some committee. The CD just requests the unknowns for
the weekend of the contest.<br>
</li>
<li>They maintain season standings and individual contest results
for all participants on a regional basis which is all available
on one website. These regional standings can qualify you for
entry in competitions such as the Tucson Shootout.</li>
<li>The patterns for all classes are only 10 maneuvers long and
you fly the sequence twice in each flight, Landings and takeoffs
are not scored and you are expected to takeoff before the
competitor preceding you has landed which keeps things flowing
pretty well<br>
</li>
<li>There are additional separate results kept for Seniors with
season point totals as well</li>
<li>There is usually an optional Freestyle competition that
appeals mostly to the kids<br>
</li>
<li>They change patterns every year.<br>
</li>
</ol>
In any case, IMAC is where you find the kids and the young adults,
not at a Pattern contest. At our pattern contest last week we had 6
Sportsman flyers, all in their first contest. The age spread was 47
to 67. In fact the 47 year was the second youngest competitor
overall as we had an intermediate contestant who was only 43. The
only kid on the field was a 12 year old that was helping out as a
club member.<br>
The last IMAC contest here in Albuquerque had two contestants under
13 and I would say that all age groups were well represented. <br>
<br>
I don't believe there is anything that would "turnaround" the
current skewing in pattern towards old farts but we could try some
of the concepts IMAC is using. Certainly IMAC appears to have a
much better handle on patterns and scoring. With a one year cycle on
patterns it would be easy for the committe to respond to specific
objections about patterns "we'll look imto that next year. Meanwhile
just fly what we gave you". Also a National scoring system and
website presentation of results and standings would be a big help.<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 9/23/2010 6:12 PM, Dave Harmon wrote:
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new class would <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">be populated from the other
classes….like Masters and Intermediate.<<<<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">arrrrgghhh……I meant
Advanced……another class between Advanced and Masters.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Sorry….<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">Dave Harmon<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">NSRCA 586<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">Sperry, Ok.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
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class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Archie Stafford<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 23, 2010 6:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA
sequences for 2011 and beyond<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We arent talking about totally changing
everything. Unfortunately the average age of pattern flyers
is constantly getting older. There are a few young new faces
but not many. Many of those also fly helis or IMAC and at
some point they will migrate that way. The planes have
progressed, the equipment has progressed, but unfortunately
a lot of the mindsets haven't. Adding new maneuvers which
arent more difficult, but add new skills is essential in the
progression of the sport. The sequences need to be designed
to be a challenge for the top 50%, not made easier for those
not there. Like it or not, Masters is a destination class
and the skill level should reflect that. If guys dont have
time to practice or skill levels are diminishing then
avenues for them to move back a class. Not comparing us and
IMAC, but in there sportsman sequence theyhave guys doing
partial rolling circles. I have seen the pilots, they are
certainly no better than our intermediate pilots. Their
schedules FORCE guys to try new things. Its OK to try new
things. Most people will find they arent as difficult as we
think. No Im not advocating rolling circles, but how many
pattern guys ever go out and just fly. Trying new maneuvers
and trying to learn new skills. It will really improve your
flying skills. OK. Ill shut up on the subject now. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Arch<br>
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