<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>I agree with Glen. Why is it the responsibility of guys who are abiding by the rules to move up. Neither Glen nor I started out at the top of Masters. I finished 27th at my first NATS in Masters. I have since worked my tail off, as has Glen, Tony, george Asteris, and many others. We paid our dues like everyone else. If you want to move up and compete in Masters WORK HARDER. Thats what each of us have done. </div><div><br></div><div>Arch<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Sep 24, 2010, at 5:19 PM, John Gayer <<a href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">jgghome@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
Glen,<br>
<br>
If you don't want to be forced to move to FAI, then you must accept
that there are those in other classes who do not wish to advance to
the next class either. Peer pressure and the challenge of learning
more complex maneuvers and doing better at a higher level are
expected to work for Sportsman through Advanced but not for Masters?
<br>
<br>
While F3A maneuvers are controlled by the FAI, there is nothing
international about doing a loop with an integrated 8 point. It is,
however, a challenge to do well. Why are so many of the Masters
flyers disinterested in new challenges, new maneuvers, new
competition? These are the things that drove them to excel in the
lower classes and in Masters and then it all stops?<br>
<br>
I would think that winning the NATS in any class would lead one to
look around and say "where's the next hill to climb?"<br>
<br>
I firmly believe there needs to be some changes made in the
advancement process. It should be the same across the board for all
classes including Masters.<br>
In the past I have suggested abolishing the current advancement
rules and replacing it with the following:<br>
<br>
<font color="#3333ff">A competitor will select the class to be flown
during the calendar year. This selected class may be any higher
class or the next lower class than that flown in the previous
calendar year. The set of classes referred to is 401-404 and 406.</font><br>
<br>
This would at least make advancement requirements consistent for all
participants and is very easy to enforce.<br>
<br>
John Gayer<br>
AMA 75102<br>
NSRCA 632<br>
ex Sportsman, Advanced, Expert. Master, F3A and now thoroughly
challenged by Advanced(again)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 9/24/2010 2:22 PM, Glen Watson wrote:
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span class="395115419-24092010">...I probably meet
Dave's description of a Masters' pilot who chooses not to
compete in an International class. There are many personal
reason why this is the case. i.e. desire, age, dollars,
time etc.</span></font></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span class="395115419-24092010"></span></font> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span class="395115419-24092010">It's amazing to me
the same issues are raised year-to-year about changing the
current establishment (AMA rules) to meet one's needs.
Instead of trying to force someone like me to move-on to
FAI why can't the pilots who view someone like me as a
potential sandbagger work a bit harder in their respective
class to become as competitive as they can. I do not mean
to come across arrogant, just voicing my opinion regarding
attitude's I've witness from the pattern community. </span></font></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span class="395115419-24092010"></span></font> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span class="395115419-24092010">I recognize the
level of time, money and commitment it takes to achieve
excellence. That's why I enjoy the sport of pattern, it's
the challenge of being competitive within the stated rules.</span></font></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span class="395115419-24092010"></span></font> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span class="395115419-24092010">~Glen Watson</span></font></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span class="395115419-24092010">AMA 136878</span></font></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span class="395115419-24092010">NSRCA 2293</span></font></div>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Dave<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 24, 2010 11:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: Proposed NSRCA
sequences for 2011 andbeyond<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">John,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">I’m
not quite sure how to respond as I think my commentary
made perfect sense.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">I’ll
try it another way –<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">The
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region>
has a substantial number of pilots that do not aspire to
international competition. Many Masters pilots have
expressed the opinion that if they were required to fly a
more difficult schedule, or fly multiple schedules, they
would drop out of the event. So why force them into a
class that contains elements they clearly don’t want, and
for which they have virtually no input or control? How
does chasing people out of the event benefit pattern in
the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region>?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">With
respect to “</span></font>ALL the lower classes and
maneuvers are selected by someone else(the sequence
committee)”<font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">I
couldn’t disagree more. The Seq Com has always been
comprised of pilots from all classes, and the direction
taken by the Seq Com has always been based on survey
results and feedback from the masses. “Someone else” is
us, just like the judges are us.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"><br>
Dave Lockhart<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-family: Tahoma; color:
windowtext; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-family: Tahoma; color: windowtext;
font-size: 10pt;">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>John
Gayer<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Friday, September 24, 2010 12:09 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: Proposed NSRCA sequences for
2011 and beyond</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: windowtext;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">That makes no sense.
Every other country has resolved the issue of having their
own internal classes and then finally advancing their best
pilots to F3A. Just because the maneuvers are selected by
an international committee on which we are represented is
not a reason to preclude F3A from an advancement process.
We only have Turnaround pattern in this country because
the FAI led the way and we decided to follow rather than
go the way of the dodo.<br>
>From my point of view, ALL the lower classes and
maneuvers are selected by someone else(the sequence
committee). For F3A that committe is international. So
what?<br>
<br>
John Gayer<br>
NSRCA 632<br>
<br>
On 9/24/2010 8:36 AM, Dave wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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</xml><![endif]-->I believe the practical perspective is that FAI-F3A is
an AMA class, but it does not run in accordance
with AMA rules (except where FAI is silent), and
AMA has virtually no control over F3A. Given AMA
has no control over F3A, that is a key point in
not requiring advancement to F3A from Masters.<u1:p></u1:p></u1:smarttagtype></u1:smarttagtype></u1:smarttagtype></u1:smarttagtype></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">Regards,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">Dave
Lockhart<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size:
10pt; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-family: Tahoma;
font-size: 10pt;"> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>]
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Gene
Maurice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Friday, September 24, 2010 8:18 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011
and beyond</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">Sorry, FAI is an AMA class, 406, it’s
only that the Sporting Code supersedes, doesn’t replace,
the AMA rule book and the exemption from advancement.
>From the 2009-2010 rule book:<u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><u1:p><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">RADIO CONTROL PATTERN <u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">For events 401, 402, 403, 404, 406. <u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><u1:p><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"> </span></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">7. Pattern event classes: The Pattern
event shall<u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">be divided into five (5) classes. The
first four (4<u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">shall (in order of increasing
difficulty) be <u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">referred to as Sportsman,
Intermediate, <u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">Advanced, and Masters. The fifth class
shall be <u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">referred to as the FAI class. The
Sportsman class<u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">is supplemental (see Supplemental and
<u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">Provisional Rules, page 2).
Competitors must be<u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">advised prior to the start of the
contest of any <u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">planned deviations from standard AMA
rules <u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">pertaining to the events they have
entered. <u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><u1:p><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"> </span></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">19. FAI Pattern Maneuvers: The FAI
class <u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">shall fly according to the current FAI
RC <u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">Aerobatics (F3A) rules. The noise
limit shall be <u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">the current noise limit used in AMA
competition <u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">for classes 401-404, except in the
case of a <st1:place u4:st="on"><st1:country-region u4:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region></st1:country-region></st1:place>
<u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">Team Selection contest, where the
noise limit <u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">shall be the current FAI noise rule.
The builder-<u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">of-the-model rule, if any, shall not
be enforced. <u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">The AMA Competition Regulations will
be <u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">applied when the FAI Sporting Code is
silent on, <u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">or does not provide guidance
concerning the <u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">conduct or rules of the FAI - F3A
events. <u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><u1:p><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"> </span></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"> 8.2.5: There is no mandatory <u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">advancement into FAI from the Masters
class. <u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">Contestants may enter their current
AMA class <u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">or the FAI class at any contest but
not both.<u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><u1:p><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"> </span></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><u1:p><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"> </span></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">Gene Maurice<u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gene.maurice@sgmservice.com"><a href="mailto:gene.maurice@sgmservice.com">gene.maurice@sgmservice.com</a></a><u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><st1:place u4:st="on"><st1:city u4:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri;
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Dallas</span></span></font></st1:city><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125); font-size: 11pt;"></span></font></st1:place><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2">, <st1:state u4:st="on"><st1:state w:st="on">GA</st1:state></st1:state></font></st1:city></st1:place><o:p></o:p></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">AMA 3408<u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">NSRCA 877<u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"><a href="http://PACSS.sgmservice.com">PACSS.sgmservice.com</a><u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><u1:p><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"> </span></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><u1:p><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"> </span></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><u1:p><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"> </span></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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0in;">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size:
10pt; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-family: Tahoma;
font-size: 10pt;"> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>]
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Dave
Harmon<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Friday, September 24, 2010 12:19 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for
2011 and beyond<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">Hi Vince….well….FAI/F3A is not an AMA
class…..Masters and below ARE….so…FAI/F3A cannot be a
destination class for an AMA event.<u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><u1:p><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"> </span></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><u1:p><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"> </span></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="#1f497d" face="Comic Sans
MS" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: rgb(31,
73, 125); font-size: 10.5pt; font-weight: bold;">Dave
Harmon<u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="#1f497d" face="Comic Sans
MS" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: rgb(31,
73, 125); font-size: 10.5pt; font-weight: bold;">NSRCA
586<u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="#1f497d" face="Comic Sans
MS" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: rgb(31,
73, 125); font-size: 10.5pt; font-weight: bold;">K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net<u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="#1f497d" face="Comic Sans
MS" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: rgb(31,
73, 125); font-size: 10.5pt; font-weight: bold;">Sperry,
Ok.<u1:p></u1:p></span></span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><u1:p><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"> </span></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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0in;">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size:
10pt; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-family: Tahoma;
font-size: 10pt;"> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Vicente
"Vince" Bortone<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:24 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for
2011 and beyond<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt;">I think
that making FAI-F3A destination class will be easier
natural solution. How we are going to organize local
contests having one additional class?<br>
<br>
Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Dave Harmon" <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:k6xyz@sbcglobal.net"><<a href="mailto:k6xyz@sbcglobal.net">k6xyz@sbcglobal.net</a>></a><br>
To: "General pattern discussion" <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></a><br>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:12:00 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences
for 2011 and beyond<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">>></span></span></font> time
because the new class would <o:p></o:p></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">be
populated from the other classes….like Masters and
Intermediate.<<<<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">arrrrgghhh……I
meant Advanced……another class between Advanced and
Masters.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Sorry….<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times
Ne" size="3"><span style=""> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times
Ne" size="3"><span style=""> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="#1f497d" face="Comic
Sans MS" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 10.5pt;
font-weight: bold;">Dave Harmon</span></span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="#1f497d" face="Comic
Sans MS" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 10.5pt;
font-weight: bold;">NSRCA 586</span></span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="#1f497d" face="Comic
Sans MS" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 10.5pt;
font-weight: bold;">K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net</span></span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="#1f497d" face="Comic
Sans MS" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 10.5pt;
font-weight: bold;">Sperry, Ok.</span></span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt;">nfo/nsrca-discussion<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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