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Didn't the sequence committee write the doctrine? It should be a
living document with a clear and easy path to modify it and keep it
current. <br>
That is the problem with many process documents. Once written they
become law and immutable.<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
On 9/23/2010 4:53 PM, Archie Stafford wrote:
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cite="mid:DBF8C928-C460-47BF-A065-7F1AB7E8A910@md.metrocast.net"
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<div>The 4pt is exactly the type of maneuver Dave is referring to.
I know becausehe and I have both pushed for that. I dont think
we need some of the really crazy stuff, but we need to start
adding some. I dont think we need them at the bottom of loops,
but the current doctrine the sequence committee has to follow
will notallow a loop with a 4pt at the top. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>Arch <br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:46 PM, "Dave Harmon" <<a
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wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">An avalanche or 4 pt roll in a
loop is not an <i>‘FAI or IMAC
style’</i> integrated maneuver.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Dave Harmon<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">NSRCA 586<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Sperry, Ok.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Archie
Stafford<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed
NSRCA sequences for 2011 and
beyond<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Why not? An avalanche is an
integrated maneuver. A 4pt
roll at the top of a loop is certainly in the skill set
of a masters
pilot. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Arch<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Sep 23, 2010, at 3:38 PM, "Dave Harmon" <<a
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href="mailto:k6xyz@sbcglobal.net">k6xyz@sbcglobal.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">I
agree with Dave l but otherwise I disagree
totally…..FAI and IMAC style
integrated maneuvers don’t belong in Masters.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
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rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
"Comic Sans MS"; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Dave Harmon</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
"Comic Sans MS"; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">NSRCA 586</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
"Comic Sans MS"; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
"Comic Sans MS"; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Sperry, Ok.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dr Mike<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:58
AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and
beyond</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">I
totally agree with you, Dave, however, I would
encourage the Masters sequence
to begin including some integrated, safe stuff,
such as a loop with roll
at top or some such thing. It just simply makes
the event so much more
fun and exciting.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
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"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Mike </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:13
AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and
beyond</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
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"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;">John,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;">The only
bit of your discussion I differ on is regarding
the difficulty level for the
“destination” class Masters. It is only a
destination for some, and
regardless of whether or not it is a destination
class (in practice, name, or
design), the difficulty level should be set based
on the wishes of the majority
– not the difficulty level of FAI. We (AMA
pattern pilots) can always
choose to set the difficulty level of Masters
slightly less than, equal to, or
slightly greater than FAI. But since we (AMA
pattern pilots) have pretty
much zero input or influence on FAI, we should
never tie ourselves to the FAI
schedule allowing it to dictate the difficulty
level of Masters. Masters
and FAI do not share the share goal, and never
will.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;">Advancement
systems aside, someone will be moving up or down
for whatever reason(s), and
I’m happy to partake in the celebrating or
commiserating </span><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: navy;">J</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
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navy;"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
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"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
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"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;">Dave
Lockhart</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
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navy;"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>John
Gayer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:29
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed
NSRCA sequences for 2011 and
beyond</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Dave,<br>
<br>
Every time you move to a new class including
sportsman there are potential
airplane killers lurking. Long ago and far away, I
remember losing two
airplanes learning to do three consecutive rolls
centered. If combined
roll/loop maneuvers were introduced to Masters, the
Masters pilots would
quickly sort out how to execute them. My only point
in addressing the
lack of these maneuvers in Masters is the fact that
it is the final AMA
destination class and as such should deliver
equivalent difficulty to F3A.
Otherwise it is a feeder class without Advancement
requirements.<br>
<br>
In other countries where advancement to the next
class has to be earned (by
scoring average and the national organization keeps
track), getting an
advancement notice is cause for celebration and
usually involves lots of beer.
In Australia everyone aspires to gain admittance
into the top level (which
flies the F3A schedules and from which their World
team is selected). The
flip side is that if you start flying poorly or not
at all, you find yourself
moving back a class or two.<br>
<br>
Such a system has a lot of merit. Keep flying well
against your peers, you move
up. Fly poorly, you move down. The beer sounds good
too. Celebrate on the way
up, commiserate on the way down, drinks all around
in either case.<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
On 9/22/2010 6:28 PM, Dave wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
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navy;">John,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
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"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;">First,
without picking a side on this particular debate,
I’d offer the following
comments / perspectives –</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;">- Historically,
surveys and polls have answered that integrated
looping/rolling maneuvers
should not be included in the Masters pattern.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;">- an
“airplane killer” looks a lot differently to a
skilled Masters pilot compared
to a middle of the pack advanced pilot moving into
Masters, and this concern
has historically been expressed, and is a hot
button for a substantial number.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
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"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
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"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;">Second, my
opinions -</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;">I fly FAI
because I want to…I want the more challenging
schedules and higher level of
competition. Arguably, the FAI P schedule is not
more difficult in some
years, and I could easily argue it does not
contain state of the art maneuvers,
but flying FAI is still more difficult if for no
other reason than a pilots
time must be split between flying P, F, and
unknowns.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;">Masters
has a wide range of pilot abilities, and is “home”
for many for different
reasons. As such, it will always be a compromise
class, unlike FAI F3A
which is focused on picking the best F3A Team in
the world and the best
individual pilot in the world. So long as the
majority of Masters do not
want state of the art maneuvers, Masters should
not have state of the art
maneuvers.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
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"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;">I do
believe it might be a little easier to establish
and maintain the difficulty
level of each class and the steps between the
classes IF a system were
established that required a pilot advance to the
next higher class based on
achieving a given proficiency, and also demoted a
pilot who did not achieve a
minimum standard. Several countries use this
approach, and from what I
have seen, it appears to work as well or better
than the point system used in
the US. Mandatory advancement to F3A is a
separate, but related topic.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
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navy;"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
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"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
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"Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;">Dave
Lockhart</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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navy;"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Gayer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:40
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion; Mark Hunt<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed
NSRCA sequences for 2011 and
beyond</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-family: "Times New Ro ,
serif","serif";">Derek,<br>
<br>
I thought we already selected a pattern through
the survey. Is the survey now
meaningless because it chose the wrong length
pattern?<br>
<br>
I'm not quite sure I understand the logic behind
raising the complexity of the
short pattern at this late date, either. The
sequence committee has
worked on these patterns for two years or so and
now it appears that because of
a few comments at the Nats or whatever that all
that work and the surveys are
to be thrown out or at least revisited.<br>
I offered comments on the patterns 6 months ago
and and said at that time that
the Masters pattern was too easy in some areas.
Didn't see anyone jumping to
and making changes then. <br>
Comments about airplane killer maneuvers are also
uncalled for. Any Masters
pilot should be able to perform integrated
roll/loop maneuvers without
endangering the airplane. Making them good enough
to score 8s and 9s, well
that's a different matter. If you are making
changes to the Masters
pattern and keeping its role as a destination
class, I firmly believe it should
contain <u>state of the art</u> pattern
maneuvers.<br>
<br>
John Gayer<br>
District 6 Advanced pilot<br>
<br>
<br>
On 9/22/2010 4:10 PM, Derek Koopowitz wrote: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-family: "Times New Ro ,
serif","serif";">Dave, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-family: "Times New ,
serif","serif";"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-family: "Times New ,
serif","serif";">You are correct
in that
everyone is impacted on a short vs long schedule
- my apologies for the
definition of who is impacted. Regardless,
please voice your opinion to
your District VP.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">-Derek<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-family: "Times Ne ,
serif","serif";">On Wed, Sep
22, 2010 at 3:05 PM,
Dave Burton <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</a>>
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Derek,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">I really object to your definition
of
who has “Skin in the game” - <b>We all do
if we pay our dues and attend
contest</b>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">The “skin” is the impact of a long
vs.
short sequence for every Masters flyer,
Flyer who will be flying Masters in the
next two years, every flyer/non flyer who
judges at a contest, and every other
flyer in all the other class who have to
wait until the typically large Masters
class finishes whatever sequence they fly.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">So, whether I fly Masters in the
next
two years or not, I intend to let my
opinion be known to my district VP and I
expect him to give my view the same weight
of any other opinion from “Masters”
flyers or others. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">This is an issue that should not be
decided by only “Masters” flyers.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Dave Burton</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Derek Koopowitz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 22,
2010 5:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <span style="color: black;">General
pattern discussion</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and
beyond<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Over
10 months ago the NSRCA Sequence Committee
completed its work on the new
sequences. These were posted on the NSRCA
website for review and comment
- see below:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Included
in all this material was a draft
document that outlined the process on
how
sequences are developed, tested and
approved and the makeup/content of the
sequences based on the class it is
meant to serve. This document is
titled
"NSRCA Procedures, Standards and
Guidelines for AMA R/C Precision
Aerobatics Sequence Development". A
mouthful, but it does outline a
lot of information. It details the
charter for the Sequence Committee,
sequence development standards and
guidelines for all classes, catalog of
maneuvers for all classes and the
process that the NSRCA will follow in
designing, testing and approving
changes to sequences, or for proposed
sequences. These sequence development
standards and guidelines have been
in place for about 4 years now and
have been used very successfully to
build
the current set of sequences that
everyone is flying today, in addition
to the
prior Masters sequence (and the new
one as well).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Overall
we received positive comments on the
proposed sequences from Sportsman
through
Masters. As you know, there were two
sequences developed for Masters, a
long sequence using the standard 23
maneuver count and a short sequence
using
19 maneuvers. In the time since we
posted the sequences, some informal
surveys were also made on the NSRCA
website as well as on RCU asking for a
preference of either the short or long
Masters schedule. The overwhelming
majority of respondents chose the
short sequence. However, these
surveys
were a little flawed in that we didn't
really know who was voting for them -
were they all judges/pilots who voted
because they didn't want to judge a
long
sequence, or were they really current
and/or future Masters pilots that
really
did want to fly a shorter sequence.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Since
the release of the proposed schedules,
and some post Nats comments, the
sequence committee has been hard at
work making some tweaks to the short
schedule with a view to increasing the
difficulty level of the short Masters
sequence to bring it into line with
the long Masters sequence and also to
ensure that we weren't lowering the
bar in difficulty by introducing a
shorter
sequence. Bear in mind that the short
sequence is only 19 maneuvers (17
of them flyable) so raising the
difficulty level is a challenge if one
is to
avoid using some existing F3A type
maneuvers, or "airplane killers",
and to only use maneuvers that match
the philosophy that we've embraced for
a
number of years. Since we've never
developed a short Masters sequence, we
need to make sure we get it right and
that it not only provides a challenge
to
those that fly it but that it still
provides a somewhat relatively higher
jump
for those pilots that are moving up
from Advanced. We realize that
creating a perfect schedule is not
going to happen - we won't be able to
please
every pilot that moves up from
Advanced, nor will we be able to
please some
former F3A pilots that think the
schedule is too easy and isn't enough
of a
challenge. There has to be a balance.
The Sequence Committee came
up with some good positive changes and
these are being vetted/tested as I
write
this. They've received extremely
positive feedback from everyone that
has
either flown the newer short sequence
on a simulator or using their pattern
plane at the field. By the end of
this weekend we'll know for sure
whether it is a keeper or not.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">When
we do post the revised sequence I
would like all of you that have "skin
in
this game", meaning you are a current
Masters pilot or will be moving to
Masters in the next year or two, to
please contact your NSRCA District VP
and
let them know what your preference is
- short or long sequence. The
reason they need to know is that the
NSRCA board will vote in the next
couple
of weeks to approve all the proposed
sequences and also to select which
sequence
the Masters class will be flying in
2011/2012.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">The
Sequence Committee is comprised of Joe
Lachowski, Dave Lockhart, Verne
Koester,
Bill Glaze, Archie Stafford, and
Richard Lewis. They've put in an
extraordinary amount of work on these
sequences and documentation and
deserve
huge kudos from everyone! Thanks guys
- your work is very much
appreciated!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">We've
also created a Sequence Committee
section on the NSRCA website which
will have
more information soon. It will
contain the updated draft
documentation
and all the proposed sequences in one
location. You can get to the new
section from the main menu - just look
for Sequence Committee - it is near
the
bottom of the menu.<o:p></o:p></p>
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