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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Exactly why the higher level classes
should be longer in length….it has nothing to do with short-changing the lower
classes of airtime.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I can’t think of any competitive event
where the entry level is equal in duration to the higher levels. There is
always a progression in both duration and skill level.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dave Lockhart<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><a href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Atwood, Mark<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September 23, 2010
11:28 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Sportsman Option</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Bottom line, the
current sportsman sequence really doesn’t need to be flown twice like the old
one. I think this is all moot now.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>My son is flying
sportsman and I can tell you that by the time he’s finished the sequence, he’s
“spent”. He flies it well, but it requires 4-5 min of intense
concentration for him and after that he’s more than ready to land. Even
in practice I seldom get him to fly through parts of it twice.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Keith Hoard<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September 23, 2010
11:25 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ldiamond; <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Sportsman Option<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>If you only had one or
two Sportsmen flying electric, have their caller carry a second battery out
with them. Land, swap batts, and go again. I guess this would also
require a waiver to the "no touchy your aircraft" rule, but I'm sure
most guys would be OK with it in Sportsman.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:11 AM, <<a
href="mailto:ldiamond@diamondrc.com">ldiamond@diamondrc.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Arch, this is a great point. I sanctioned the <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Evansville</st1:place></st1:City> contest with
the Sportsman option to be determined at the pilots meeting. We had guys
flying electric, and decided not to use it for this reason.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Larry<br>
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--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Thu, 9/23/10, Archie Stafford <i><span
style='font-style:italic'><<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net"
target="_blank">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>></span></i></span></b>
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From: Archie Stafford <<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net"
target="_blank">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sportsman Option<br>
To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>"
<<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 10:38 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>And for guys flying smaller electrics, this would be
tough. My son Caleb is going to try his first contest hopefully next
month at <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Green</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Sea</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>. He has a .40 size Great
Planes Escpade on 4S 3000 packs. There is no way he could fly the
sequence twice on a charge. If we are encouraging people to fly
sportsman with anything they have, we could potentially run some off if we
did this. <br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Thu 09/23/10 10:29 AM , "Atwood,
Mark" <a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com" target="_blank">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>
sent:</span></b><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I think there is a lot of flexibility
here. We had a contest a few years back where we did the “fly through
it twice” option and we scored all the rounds and kept the best 8 of 12 for
the contest. Sportsmen got to fly more, and had more throw aways.
Everyone seemed to be happy.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The current sportsman schedule is not
as short as the old one was and so there has been less of a need to do this.</span></font>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color'>
<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b><a
href="mailto:ldiamond@diamondrc.com" target="_blank">ldiamond@diamondrc.com</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September 23,
2010 10:17 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Sportsman Option</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I
agree, hence why I stated it in parenthesis at the end of my comment. My
opinion is that a Sportsman pilot would only fly 1/2 of the rounds as the
rest of the pilots. Pro's and Con's with this...When I flew Sportsman, I
can say I felt a little cheated not flying on a Sunday because all my
rounds were complete by the third round on Saturday.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I
also believe the intent was to allow for more flight maneuvers at a contest
to increase the learning curve of the Sportsman and reward the best
sequence of the flight. I would find it difficult to believe the intent of
this rule was get them done faster.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>As a
CD I would never use the Sportsman Option to count as two rounds.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Larry
Diamond<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Thu, 9/23/10, Jon Lowe </span></b>wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
From: Jon Lowe <br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and
beyond<br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 10:04 AM <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>The</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'> rule for sportsman only says <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>"suggested procedure"</span></b>.
Where the suggested procedure leaves off and the requirement restarts
is unclear. We've used the tow rounds per fligh</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:black'>Jon Lowe</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> </span></font>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
From: Gene Maurice <br>
To: <a href="mailto:ldiamond@diamondrc.com" target="_blank">ldiamond@diamondrc.com</a>;
'<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>' <br>
Sent: Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:48 am<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and
beyond</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p><b><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black;font-weight:bold'>"BTW, the rules
also state that a CD can have Sportsman fly their sequence back-to-back if
they'd like to fly a little longer."</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:black'>It's a little vague, but I don't interpret the
Sportsman Option to be considered as two rounds. I have seen this done in
the past (albeit not recent). The scoring is the best sequence of the
flight with TO/L counting the same for both. PACSS doesn't solve for this,
so it's difficult to produce scores for this (suggested procedure).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I’m working on it, but, as you said,
“it’ difficult to produce……….” AND difficult to program. Part of the
problem is the statement in the rules that “The Contest Director may use
this option on a round by round basis.”. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The scoring can be handled in the
system today by changing the Scoring Parameters to “Throw Out 0 High
Rounds and Throw Out 0 Low Rounds”, produce the standing for all 12
rounds and manually determine the ‘keepers’. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> I would like to hear how you
would like to see this presented in the system.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Gene Maurice</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gene.maurice@sgmservice.com"
target="_blank">gene.maurice@sgmservice.com</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Dallas</span></font></st1:City><font
size=2 color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>, <st1:State
w:st="on">GA</st1:State></span></font></st1:place><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>AMA 3408</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>NSRCA 877</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://PACSS.sgmservice.com"
target="_blank">PACSS.sgmservice.com</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color'>
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<p><b><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> <a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [<a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org&"
target="_blank">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b><a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ldiamond@diamondrc.com"
target="_blank">ldiamond@diamondrc.com</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 22,
2010 9:12 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
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<p><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>"BTW, the rules also state that a CD can have
Sportsman fly their sequence back-to-back if they'd like to fly a little
longer."</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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</div>
<div>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>It's
a little vague, but I don't interpret the Sportsman Option to be
considered as two rounds. I have seen this done in the past (albeit not
recent). The scoring is the best sequence of the flight with TO/L
counting the same for both. PACSS doesn't solve for this, so it's
difficult to produce scores for this (suggested procedure).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>OK,
back on topic...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Masters
Short Vs Long...I haven't compared the two...However, IMHO keep the
length and K-Factor constant in terms of flight time and difficulty for
every AMA Class. If the Masters Class is subjected to a "Feature
Creep" process to challenge those that have been in the class many
moons, then the gap between Advanced and Masters grows. Not a good thing
for all AMA classes as this gap will surely be distributed to the lower
classes for balance.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Using
this philosophy, if a Master Pilot feels that the sequence is too easy
and no longer a challenge to them, I say...Move up to FAI...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Looking
forward, into the future, seriously...If Masters Pilots do not move up to
FAI and see the Masters Class as a Destination Class, what
competition will our prospective US Team Pilots face to get ready?
Currently, there are few people flying FAI at local contests. This
can only mean that the level of competition for FAI is down in the <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region>. If
the level of competition is down, how can one become consistent and reach
their potential as a World USA Team Member?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<div>
<div>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>If
the Masters Class is not held at a constant level of difficulty, then
there is No Incentive to move up to FAI. The <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> will suffer for it in
World Competition as pilots or not challenged on a regular basis and
practicing for the Worlds is not the same as Competition Experience at a
contest.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>For
the argument of a Masters Pilot to say, “I don’t have and never will have
a desire to fly FAI”, I say, "no problem"…Just don’t expect the
level of Masters to become more difficult to challenge you.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Now
that you read all this, I don’t have skin in the game, or do I…If a pilot
wants to fly, I will judge no matter how long the sequence is.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Many
of the guys at the top have invested their time in me to become a better
pilot. I would never turn my back and say, "I don't want to judge
because the Masters Class is too long". That, IMHO, would be a slap
in the face to every pilot that called and coached me to be a better
pilot. I don't know of anybody that has learned to fly Pattern on their
own.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>My
.02, flame suit on!!!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Larry
“No Skin in the Game” Diamond</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Intermediate
Pilot, Bottom Feeder</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>NSRCA
3083</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>AMA
5024<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
<br>
--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Wed, 9/22/10, Derek Koopowitz <i><span
style='font-style:italic'><<a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=derekkoopowitz@gmail.com"
target="_blank">derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</a>></span></i></span></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
From: Derek Koopowitz <<a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=derekkoopowitz@gmail.com"
target="_blank">derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and
beyond<br>
To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>"
<<a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 7:10 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Pattern
length for each class has been a design criteria for a number of years
and it has been used very successfully to build current and past
sequences. Since we are using each of the classes as a building
block to the next higher class, it makes sense to use each sequence to
work on and build flying skills. One can only do so much with
maneuvers in a class before it becomes too intense for the pilot and
wears them out (in the lower classes) - that's why Sportsman has box
entry/exit breaks during the sequence. BTW, the rules also state
that a CD can have Sportsman fly their sequence back-to-back if they'd
like to fly a little longer.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On
Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:53 PM, John Gayer <<a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jgghome@comcast.net"
target="_blank">jgghome@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Derek,<br>
<br>
When it comes to the pattern length we should all have a say. Why should
the Masters pattern have more maneuvers and take longer than any other
pattern? You cannot say there is no impact on other flyers and their
judging duties when Masters is often the largest class and use more than
their share of the contest time as well. You <i><span style='font-style:
italic'>could</span></i> say that the "content" of each class
pattern should be up to those with "skin" in the game.<br>
<br>
There was nothing in the survey that stated "Vote only for the
patterns in the class you are flying or may fly next year". Nor do I
believe that such a statement should be added.<br>
<font color="#888888"><span style='color:#888888'><br>
John</span></font> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
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On 9/22/2010 4:30 PM, Derek Koopowitz wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dave,
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>After
writing my reply to you I got to thinking again and I don't agree with
your assessment. This is about selecting a sequence that matter to
the people that fly it not to the people that judge it or to the people
that may have to wait around to fly again because of a large Masters
turnout.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Flame
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>-Derek<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On
Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Dave Burton <<a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=burtona@atmc.net"
target="_blank">burtona@atmc.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Derek,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I really object to your definition
of who has “Skin in the game” - <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>We
all do if we pay our dues and attend contest</span></b>.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The “skin” is the impact of a long
vs. short sequence for every Masters flyer, Flyer who will be flying
Masters in the next two years, every flyer/non flyer who judges at a
contest, and every other flyer in all the other class who have to wait
until the typically large Masters class finishes whatever sequence they
fly.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>So, whether I fly Masters in the
next two years or not, I intend to let my opinion be known to my district
VP and I expect him to give my view the same weight of any other opinion
from “Masters” flyers or others. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>This is an issue that should not
be decided by only “Masters” flyers.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Dave Burton</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
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style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Derek Koopowitz<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September
22, 2010 5:31 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Over
10 months ago the NSRCA Sequence Committee completed its work on the new
sequences. These were posted on the NSRCA website for review and
comment - see below:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Included
in all this material was a draft document that outlined the process on
how sequences are developed, tested and approved and the makeup/content
of the sequences based on the class it is meant to serve. This
document is titled "NSRCA Procedures, Standards and Guidelines for
AMA R/C Precision Aerobatics Sequence Development". A
mouthful, but it does outline a lot of information. It details the
charter for the Sequence Committee, sequence development standards and
guidelines for all classes, catalog of maneuvers for all classes and the
process that the NSRCA will follow in designing, testing and approving
changes to sequences, or for proposed sequences. These sequence
development standards and guidelines have been in place for about 4 years
now and have been used very successfully to build the current set of
sequences that everyone is flying today, in addition to the prior Masters
sequence (and the new one as well).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Overall
we received positive comments on the proposed sequences from Sportsman
through Masters. As you know, there were two sequences developed
for Masters, a long sequence using the standard 23 maneuver count and a
short sequence using 19 maneuvers. In the time since we posted the
sequences, some informal surveys were also made on the NSRCA website as
well as on RCU asking for a preference of either the short or long
Masters schedule. The overwhelming majority of respondents chose
the short sequence. However, these surveys were a little flawed in
that we didn't really know who was voting for them - were they all
judges/pilots who voted because they didn't want to judge a long
sequence, or were they really current and/or future Masters pilots that
really did want to fly a shorter sequence.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Since
the release of the proposed schedules, and some post Nats comments, the
sequence committee has been hard at work making some tweaks to the short
schedule with a view to increasing the difficulty level of the short
Masters sequence to bring it into line with the long Masters sequence and
also to ensure that we weren't lowering the bar in difficulty by
introducing a shorter sequence. Bear in mind that the short sequence
is only 19 maneuvers (17 of them flyable) so raising the difficulty level
is a challenge if one is to avoid using some existing F3A type maneuvers,
or "airplane killers", and to only use maneuvers that match the
philosophy that we've embraced for a number of years. Since we've
never developed a short Masters sequence, we need to make sure we get it
right and that it not only provides a challenge to those that fly it but
that it still provides a somewhat relatively higher jump for those pilots
that are moving up from Advanced. We realize that creating a
perfect schedule is not going to happen - we won't be able to please
every pilot that moves up from Advanced, nor will we be able to please
some former F3A pilots that think the schedule is too easy and isn't
enough of a challenge. There has to be a balance. The
Sequence Committee came up with some good positive changes and these are
being vetted/tested as I write this. They've received extremely
positive feedback from everyone that has either flown the newer short
sequence on a simulator or using their pattern plane at the field.
By the end of this weekend we'll know for sure whether it is a
keeper or not.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>When
we do post the revised sequence I would like all of you that have
"skin in this game", meaning you are a current Masters pilot or
will be moving to Masters in the next year or two, to please contact your
NSRCA District VP and let them know what your preference is - short or
long sequence. The reason they need to know is that the NSRCA board
will vote in the next couple of weeks to approve all the proposed
sequences and also to select which sequence the Masters class will be
flying in 2011/2012.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The
Sequence Committee is comprised of Joe Lachowski, Dave Lockhart, Verne
Koester, Bill Glaze, Archie Stafford, and Richard Lewis. They've
put in an extraordinary amount of work on these sequences and
documentation and deserve huge kudos from everyone! Thanks guys -
your work is very much appreciated!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>We've
also created a Sequence Committee section on the NSRCA website which will
have more information soon. It will contain the updated draft
documentation and all the proposed sequences in one location. You
can get to the new section from the main menu - just look for Sequence
Committee - it is near the bottom of the menu.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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