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<p class=MsoNormal><strong>"BTW, the rules also state that a CD can have
Sportsman fly their sequence back-to-back if they'd like to fly a little
longer."<o:p></o:p></strong></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>It's
a little vague, but I don't interpret the Sportsman Option to be considered as
two rounds. I have seen this done in the past (albeit not recent). The scoring
is the best sequence of the flight with TO/L counting the same for both.
PACSS doesn't solve for this, so it's difficult to produce scores for this
(suggested procedure).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’m working on it, but, as you said, “it’ difficult to produce……….”
AND difficult to program. Part of the problem is the statement in the rules
that “The Contest Director may use this option on a round by round basis.”. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The scoring can be handled in the system today by changing the
Scoring Parameters to “Throw Out 0 High Rounds and Throw Out 0 Low Rounds”,
produce the standing for all 12 rounds and manually determine the ‘keepers’. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> I would like to hear how you would like to see this presented
in the system.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Gene Maurice<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>gene.maurice@sgmservice.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Dallas, GA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>AMA 3408<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>NSRCA 877<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>PACSS.sgmservice.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>ldiamond@diamondrc.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and
beyond<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong>"BTW, the rules also state that a CD can have
Sportsman fly their sequence back-to-back if they'd like to fly a little
longer."<o:p></o:p></strong></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>It's
a little vague, but I don't interpret the Sportsman Option to be considered
as two rounds. I have seen this done in the past (albeit not recent). The
scoring is the best sequence of the flight with TO/L counting the same
for both. PACSS doesn't solve for this, so it's difficult to produce scores
for this (suggested procedure).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>OK,
back on topic...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Masters
Short Vs Long...I haven't compared the two...However, IMHO keep the length
and K-Factor constant in terms of flight time and difficulty for every AMA
Class. If the Masters Class is subjected to a "Feature Creep"
process to challenge those that have been in the class many moons, then the
gap between Advanced and Masters grows. Not a good thing for all AMA classes
as this gap will surely be distributed to the lower classes for balance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Using
this philosophy, if a Master Pilot feels that the sequence is too easy and no
longer a challenge to them, I say...Move up to FAI...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Looking
forward, into the future, seriously...If Masters Pilots do not move up to FAI
and see the Masters Class as a Destination Class, what competition
will our prospective US Team Pilots face to get ready? Currently, there are
few people flying FAI at local contests. This can only mean that the
level of competition for FAI is down in the USA. If the level of competition
is down, how can one become consistent and reach their potential as a World
USA Team Member?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>If
the Masters Class is not held at a constant level of difficulty, then there
is No Incentive to move up to FAI. The US will suffer for it in World
Competition as pilots or not challenged on a regular basis and practicing for
the Worlds is not the same as Competition Experience at a contest.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>For
the argument of a Masters Pilot to say, “I don’t have and never will have a desire
to fly FAI”, I say, "no problem"…Just don’t expect the level of
Masters to become more difficult to challenge you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Now
that you read all this, I don’t have skin in the game, or do I…If a pilot
wants to fly, I will judge no matter how long the sequence is.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Many
of the guys at the top have invested their time in me to become a better
pilot. I would never turn my back and say, "I don't want to judge
because the Masters Class is too long". That, IMHO, would be a slap in
the face to every pilot that called and coached me to be a better pilot. I
don't know of anybody that has learned to fly Pattern on their own.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>My
.02, flame suit on!!!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Larry
“No Skin in the Game” Diamond<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Intermediate
Pilot, Bottom Feeder<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>NSRCA
3083<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>AMA 5024<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><br>
<br>
--- On <b>Wed, 9/22/10, Derek Koopowitz <i><derekkoopowitz@gmail.com></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>
From: Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz@gmail.com><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond<br>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 7:10 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<div id=yiv1960264070>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Pattern length for each class
has been a design criteria for a number of years and it has been used very
successfully to build current and past sequences. Since we are using
each of the classes as a building block to the next higher class, it makes
sense to use each sequence to work on and build flying skills. One can
only do so much with maneuvers in a class before it becomes too intense for
the pilot and wears them out (in the lower classes) - that's why Sportsman
has box entry/exit breaks during the sequence. BTW, the rules also
state that a CD can have Sportsman fly their sequence back-to-back if they'd
like to fly a little longer.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:53 PM, John Gayer <<a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jgghome@comcast.net"
target="_blank">jgghome@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Derek,<br>
<br>
When it comes to the pattern length we should all have a say. Why should the
Masters pattern have more maneuvers and take longer than any other pattern?
You cannot say there is no impact on other flyers and their judging duties
when Masters is often the largest class and use more than their share of the
contest time as well. You <i>could</i> say that the "content" of
each class pattern should be up to those with "skin" in the game.<br>
<br>
There was nothing in the survey that stated "Vote only for the patterns
in the class you are flying or may fly next year". Nor do I believe that
such a statement should be added.<br>
<span style='color:#888888'><br>
John</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><br>
<br>
On 9/22/2010 4:30 PM, Derek Koopowitz wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Dave, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>After writing my reply to you I got to thinking again and
I don't agree with your assessment. This is about selecting a sequence
that matter to the people that fly it not to the people that judge it or to
the people that may have to wait around to fly again because of a large
Masters turnout.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Flame away...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>-Derek<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Dave Burton <<a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=burtona@atmc.net"
target="_blank">burtona@atmc.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv1960264070msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Derek,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=yiv1960264070msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I
really object to your definition of who has “Skin in the game” - <b>We
all do if we pay our dues and attend contest</b>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv1960264070msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The
“skin” is the impact of a long vs. short sequence for every Masters flyer,
Flyer who will be flying Masters in the next two years, every flyer/non flyer
who judges at a contest, and every other flyer in all the other class who
have to wait until the typically large Masters class finishes whatever
sequence they fly.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv1960264070msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>So,
whether I fly Masters in the next two years or not, I intend to let my
opinion be known to my district VP and I expect him to give my view the same
weight of any other opinion from “Masters” flyers or others. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv1960264070msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>This
is an issue that should not be decided by only “Masters” flyers.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv1960264070msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Dave
Burton</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv1960264070msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=yiv1960264070msonormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Derek Koopowitz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 22, 2010 5:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and
beyond<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=yiv1960264070msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=yiv1960264070msonormal>Over 10 months ago the NSRCA Sequence
Committee completed its work on the new sequences. These were posted on
the NSRCA website for review and comment - see below:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv1960264070msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv1960264070msonormal><a
href="http://nsrca.us/proposedsequences/2011sequences.html" target="_blank">http://nsrca.us/proposedsequences/2011sequences.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=yiv1960264070msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=yiv1960264070msonormal>Included in all this material was a draft
document that outlined the process on how sequences are developed, tested and
approved and the makeup/content of the sequences based on the class it is
meant to serve. This document is titled "NSRCA Procedures,
Standards and Guidelines for AMA R/C Precision Aerobatics Sequence
Development". A mouthful, but it does outline a lot of
information. It details the charter for the Sequence Committee,
sequence development standards and guidelines for all classes, catalog of
maneuvers for all classes and the process that the NSRCA will follow in
designing, testing and approving changes to sequences, or for proposed
sequences. These sequence development standards and guidelines have
been in place for about 4 years now and have been used very successfully to
build the current set of sequences that everyone is flying today, in addition
to the prior Masters sequence (and the new one as well).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv1960264070msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv1960264070msonormal>Overall we received positive comments on the
proposed sequences from Sportsman through Masters. As you know, there
were two sequences developed for Masters, a long sequence using the standard
23 maneuver count and a short sequence using 19 maneuvers. In the time
since we posted the sequences, some informal surveys were also made on the
NSRCA website as well as on RCU asking for a preference of either the short
or long Masters schedule. The overwhelming majority of respondents
chose the short sequence. However, these surveys were a little flawed
in that we didn't really know who was voting for them - were they all
judges/pilots who voted because they didn't want to judge a long sequence, or
were they really current and/or future Masters pilots that really did want to
fly a shorter sequence.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv1960264070msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=yiv1960264070msonormal>Since the release of the proposed schedules,
and some post Nats comments, the sequence committee has been hard at work
making some tweaks to the short schedule with a view to increasing the
difficulty level of the short Masters sequence to bring it into line with the
long Masters sequence and also to ensure that we weren't lowering the bar in
difficulty by introducing a shorter sequence. Bear in mind that the
short sequence is only 19 maneuvers (17 of them flyable) so raising the
difficulty level is a challenge if one is to avoid using some existing F3A
type maneuvers, or "airplane killers", and to only use maneuvers
that match the philosophy that we've embraced for a number of years.
Since we've never developed a short Masters sequence, we need to make
sure we get it right and that it not only provides a challenge to those that
fly it but that it still provides a somewhat relatively higher jump for those
pilots that are moving up from Advanced. We realize that creating a
perfect schedule is not going to happen - we won't be able to please every
pilot that moves up from Advanced, nor will we be able to please some former
F3A pilots that think the schedule is too easy and isn't enough of a
challenge. There has to be a balance. The Sequence Committee came
up with some good positive changes and these are being vetted/tested as I
write this. They've received extremely positive feedback from everyone
that has either flown the newer short sequence on a simulator or using their
pattern plane at the field. By the end of this weekend we'll know for
sure whether it is a keeper or not.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv1960264070msonormal>When we do post the revised sequence I would
like all of you that have "skin in this game", meaning you are a
current Masters pilot or will be moving to Masters in the next year or two,
to please contact your NSRCA District VP and let them know what your
preference is - short or long sequence. The reason they need to know is
that the NSRCA board will vote in the next couple of weeks to approve all the
proposed sequences and also to select which sequence the Masters class will
be flying in 2011/2012.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv1960264070msonormal>The Sequence Committee is comprised of Joe
Lachowski, Dave Lockhart, Verne Koester, Bill Glaze, Archie Stafford, and
Richard Lewis. They've put in an extraordinary amount of work on these
sequences and documentation and deserve huge kudos from everyone!
Thanks guys - your work is very much appreciated!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv1960264070msonormal>We've also created a Sequence Committee
section on the NSRCA website which will have more information soon. It
will contain the updated draft documentation and all the proposed sequences
in one location. You can get to the new section from the main menu -
just look for Sequence Committee - it is near the bottom of the menu.<o:p></o:p></p>
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