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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>VERY much like this idea. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John
Gayer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sportsman Option<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Instead of flying back to back sportsman schedules, I
suggest that the CD direct the judges to use that time for an immediate two
minute debrief with the pilot, gently pointing out where he could improve and
praising the good parts. If the contest is not under severe time pressure, I
believe this would do a lot for the Sportsman, both in his flying and in
feeling included. Assigning experienced callers often has a similar effect. <br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
On 9/23/2010 8:16 AM, <a href="mailto:ldiamond@diamondrc.com">ldiamond@diamondrc.com</a>
wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I agree, hence why I stated it in parenthesis at the end
of my comment. My opinion is that a Sportsman pilot would only fly 1/2 of the
rounds as the rest of the pilots. Pro's and Con's with this...When I flew
Sportsman, I can say I felt a little cheated not flying on a Sunday because
all my rounds were complete by the third round on Saturday.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I also believe the intent was to allow for more flight
maneuvers at a contest to increase the learning curve of the Sportsman and
reward the best sequence of the flight. I would find it difficult to believe
the intent of this rule was get them done faster.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>As a CD I would never use the Sportsman Option to count as
two rounds.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Larry Diamond<o:p></o:p></p>
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--- On <b>Thu, 9/23/10, Jon Lowe <i><a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com"><jonlowe@aol.com></a></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: Jon Lowe <a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com"><jonlowe@aol.com></a><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond<br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 10:04 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The</span><span
class=yiv371565653apple-style-span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> rule
for sportsman only says </span></span><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>"suggested
procedure"</span></strong><span class=yiv371565653apple-style-span><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>. Where the suggested
procedure leaves off and the requirement restarts is unclear. We've
used the tow rounds per fligh</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Jon
Lowe<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Gene Maurice <a href="mailto:gene.maurice@sgmservice.com"><gene.maurice@sgmservice.com></a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:ldiamond@diamondrc.com">ldiamond@diamondrc.com</a>;
'General pattern discussion' <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><br>
Sent: Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:48 am<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>"BTW,
the rules also state that a CD can have Sportsman fly their sequence
back-to-back if they'd like to fly a little longer."</span></strong><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>It's
a little vague, but I don't interpret the Sportsman Option to be considered
as two rounds. I have seen this done in the past (albeit not recent). The
scoring is the best sequence of the flight with TO/L counting the same
for both. PACSS doesn't solve for this, so it's difficult to produce scores
for this (suggested procedure).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’m working on it, but, as you said, “it’ difficult to
produce……….” AND difficult to program. Part of the problem is the statement
in the rules that “The Contest Director may use this option on a round by
round basis.”. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The scoring can be handled in the system today by changing the
Scoring Parameters to “Throw Out 0 High Rounds and Throw Out 0 Low
Rounds”, produce the standing for all 12 rounds and manually determine the
‘keepers’. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> I would like to hear how you would like to see this
presented in the system.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Gene Maurice</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Dallas, GA</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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color:#1F497D'>NSRCA 877</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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color:#1F497D'>PACSS.sgmservice.com</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
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target="_blank">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b><a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ldiamond@diamondrc.com"
target="_blank">ldiamond@diamondrc.com</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and
beyond<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong>"BTW, the rules also state that a CD can
have Sportsman fly their sequence back-to-back if they'd like to fly a
little longer."</strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>It's a little vague, but
I don't interpret the Sportsman Option to be considered as two rounds. I
have seen this done in the past (albeit not recent). The scoring is the
best sequence of the flight with TO/L counting the same for both.
PACSS doesn't solve for this, so it's difficult to produce scores for this
(suggested procedure).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>OK, back on topic...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Masters Short Vs Long...I
haven't compared the two...However, IMHO keep the length and K-Factor
constant in terms of flight time and difficulty for every AMA Class. If the
Masters Class is subjected to a "Feature Creep" process to
challenge those that have been in the class many moons, then the gap
between Advanced and Masters grows. Not a good thing for all AMA classes as
this gap will surely be distributed to the lower classes for balance.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Using this philosophy, if
a Master Pilot feels that the sequence is too easy and no longer
a challenge to them, I say...Move up to FAI...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Looking forward, into the
future, seriously...If Masters Pilots do not move up to FAI and
see the Masters Class as a Destination Class, what competition
will our prospective US Team Pilots face to get ready? Currently, there are
few people flying FAI at local contests. This can only mean that the
level of competition for FAI is down in the USA. If the level of
competition is down, how can one become consistent and reach their
potential as a World USA Team Member?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>If the Masters Class is
not held at a constant level of difficulty, then there is No Incentive to
move up to FAI. The US will suffer for it in World Competition as pilots or
not challenged on a regular basis and practicing for the Worlds is not the
same as Competition Experience at a contest.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>For the argument of a
Masters Pilot to say, “I don’t have and never will have a desire to fly
FAI”, I say, "no problem"…Just don’t expect the level of Masters
to become more difficult to challenge you.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Now that you read all
this, I don’t have skin in the game, or do I…If a pilot wants to fly, I
will judge no matter how long the sequence is.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Many of the guys at the
top have invested their time in me to become a better pilot. I would never
turn my back and say, "I don't want to judge because the Masters Class
is too long". That, IMHO, would be a slap in the face to every pilot
that called and coached me to be a better pilot. I don't know of anybody
that has learned to fly Pattern on their own.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>My .02, flame suit on!!!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Larry “No Skin in the
Game” Diamond</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Intermediate Pilot,
Bottom Feeder</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>NSRCA 3083</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>AMA 5024<o:p></o:p></p>
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--- On <b>Wed, 9/22/10, Derek Koopowitz <i><<a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=derekkoopowitz@gmail.com"
target="_blank">derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: Derek Koopowitz <<a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=derekkoopowitz@gmail.com"
target="_blank">derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and
beyond<br>
To: "General pattern discussion" <<a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 7:10 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Pattern length for each class has been a design criteria
for a number of years and it has been used very successfully to build
current and past sequences. Since we are using each of the classes as
a building block to the next higher class, it makes sense to use each
sequence to work on and build flying skills. One can only do so much
with maneuvers in a class before it becomes too intense for the pilot and
wears them out (in the lower classes) - that's why Sportsman has box
entry/exit breaks during the sequence. BTW, the rules also state that
a CD can have Sportsman fly their sequence back-to-back if they'd like to
fly a little longer.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:53 PM, John Gayer <<a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jgghome@comcast.net"
target="_blank">jgghome@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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When it comes to the pattern length we should all have a say. Why should
the Masters pattern have more maneuvers and take longer than any other
pattern? You cannot say there is no impact on other flyers and their
judging duties when Masters is often the largest class and use more than
their share of the contest time as well. You <i>could</i> say that the
"content" of each class pattern should be up to those with
"skin" in the game.<br>
<br>
There was nothing in the survey that stated "Vote only for the
patterns in the class you are flying or may fly next year". Nor do I
believe that such a statement should be added.<br>
<span style='color:#888888'><br>
John</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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On 9/22/2010 4:30 PM, Derek Koopowitz wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Dave, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>After writing my reply to you I got to thinking again
and I don't agree with your assessment. This is about selecting a
sequence that matter to the people that fly it not to the people that judge
it or to the people that may have to wait around to fly again because of a
large Masters turnout.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Flame away...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>-Derek<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Dave Burton <<a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=burtona@atmc.net"
target="_blank">burtona@atmc.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Derek,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I really object to your
definition of who has “Skin in the game” - <b>We all do if we pay our
dues and attend contest</b>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>The “skin” is the impact
of a long vs. short sequence for every Masters flyer, Flyer who will be
flying Masters in the next two years, every flyer/non flyer who judges at a
contest, and every other flyer in all the other class who have to wait
until the typically large Masters class finishes whatever sequence they fly.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>So, whether I fly Masters
in the next two years or not, I intend to let my opinion be known to my
district VP and I expect him to give my view the same weight of any other
opinion from “Masters” flyers or others. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>This is an
issue that should not be decided by only “Masters” flyers.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Dave Burton</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Derek Koopowitz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 22, 2010 5:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and
beyond<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Over 10 months ago the NSRCA Sequence Committee
completed its work on the new sequences. These were posted on the
NSRCA website for review and comment - see below:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Included in all this material was a draft document that
outlined the process on how sequences are developed, tested and approved
and the makeup/content of the sequences based on the class it is meant to
serve. This document is titled "NSRCA Procedures, Standards and
Guidelines for AMA R/C Precision Aerobatics Sequence Development".
A mouthful, but it does outline a lot of information. It
details the charter for the Sequence Committee, sequence development
standards and guidelines for all classes, catalog of maneuvers for all
classes and the process that the NSRCA will follow in designing, testing
and approving changes to sequences, or for proposed sequences. These
sequence development standards and guidelines have been in place for about
4 years now and have been used very successfully to build the current set
of sequences that everyone is flying today, in addition to the prior
Masters sequence (and the new one as well).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Overall we received positive comments on the proposed
sequences from Sportsman through Masters. As you know, there were two
sequences developed for Masters, a long sequence using the standard 23
maneuver count and a short sequence using 19 maneuvers. In the time
since we posted the sequences, some informal surveys were also made on the
NSRCA website as well as on RCU asking for a preference of either the short
or long Masters schedule. The overwhelming majority of respondents
chose the short sequence. However, these surveys were a little flawed
in that we didn't really know who was voting for them - were they all
judges/pilots who voted because they didn't want to judge a long sequence,
or were they really current and/or future Masters pilots that really did
want to fly a shorter sequence.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Since the release of the proposed schedules, and some
post Nats comments, the sequence committee has been hard at work making
some tweaks to the short schedule with a view to increasing the difficulty
level of the short Masters sequence to bring it into line with the long
Masters sequence and also to ensure that we weren't lowering the bar in
difficulty by introducing a shorter sequence. Bear in mind that the
short sequence is only 19 maneuvers (17 of them flyable) so raising the
difficulty level is a challenge if one is to avoid using some existing F3A
type maneuvers, or "airplane killers", and to only use maneuvers
that match the philosophy that we've embraced for a number of years.
Since we've never developed a short Masters sequence, we need to make
sure we get it right and that it not only provides a challenge to those
that fly it but that it still provides a somewhat relatively higher jump
for those pilots that are moving up from Advanced. We realize that
creating a perfect schedule is not going to happen - we won't be able to
please every pilot that moves up from Advanced, nor will we be able to
please some former F3A pilots that think the schedule is too easy and isn't
enough of a challenge. There has to be a balance. The Sequence
Committee came up with some good positive changes and these are being
vetted/tested as I write this. They've received extremely positive
feedback from everyone that has either flown the newer short sequence on a
simulator or using their pattern plane at the field. By the end of
this weekend we'll know for sure whether it is a keeper or not.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>When we do post the revised sequence I would like all of
you that have "skin in this game", meaning you are a current
Masters pilot or will be moving to Masters in the next year or two, to
please contact your NSRCA District VP and let them know what your
preference is - short or long sequence. The reason they need to know
is that the NSRCA board will vote in the next couple of weeks to approve
all the proposed sequences and also to select which sequence the Masters
class will be flying in 2011/2012.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The Sequence Committee is comprised of Joe Lachowski,
Dave Lockhart, Verne Koester, Bill Glaze, Archie Stafford, and Richard
Lewis. They've put in an extraordinary amount of work on these
sequences and documentation and deserve huge kudos from everyone!
Thanks guys - your work is very much appreciated!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>We've also created a Sequence Committee section on the
NSRCA website which will have more information soon. It will contain
the updated draft documentation and all the proposed sequences in one
location. You can get to the new section from the main menu - just
look for Sequence Committee - it is near the bottom of the menu.<o:p></o:p></p>
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