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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Mike,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I agree with you…..only problem (for
me) is that I am not in Masters, nor do I plan to be, so I won’t vote/make
this change for them. But I will campaign for the Masters pilots to
consider adding “easy” integrated loop/roll elements such as a roll
at the top of a loop……certainly challenging, and certainly not
airplane killers.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dave<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dr Mike<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September 23, 2010
10:58 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I totally agree with
you, Dave, however, I would encourage the Masters sequence to begin including
some integrated, safe stuff, such as a loop with roll at top or some such
thing. It just simply makes the event so much more fun and exciting.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Mike <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dave<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September 23, 2010
9:13 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>John,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The only bit of your discussion I differ
on is regarding the difficulty level for the “destination” class
Masters. It is only a destination for some, and regardless of whether or
not it is a destination class (in practice, name, or design), the difficulty
level should be set based on the wishes of the majority – not the
difficulty level of FAI. We (AMA pattern pilots) can always choose to set
the difficulty level of Masters slightly less than, equal to, or slightly greater
than FAI. But since we (AMA pattern pilots) have pretty much zero input
or influence on FAI, we should never tie ourselves to the FAI schedule allowing
it to dictate the difficulty level of Masters. Masters and FAI do not
share the share goal, and never will.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Advancement systems aside, someone will be
moving up or down for whatever reason(s), and I’m happy to partake in the
celebrating or commiserating </span></font><font size=2 color=navy
face=Wingdings><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:navy'>J</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dave Lockhart<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>John Gayer<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 22,
2010 11:29 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dave,<br>
<br>
Every time you move to a new class including sportsman there are potential
airplane killers lurking. Long ago and far away, I remember losing two
airplanes learning to do three consecutive rolls centered. If combined
roll/loop maneuvers were introduced to Masters, the Masters pilots would
quickly sort out how to execute them. My only point in addressing the
lack of these maneuvers in Masters is the fact that it is the final AMA
destination class and as such should deliver equivalent difficulty to F3A.
Otherwise it is a feeder class without Advancement requirements.<br>
<br>
In other countries where advancement to the next class has to be earned (by
scoring average and the national organization keeps track), getting an
advancement notice is cause for celebration and usually involves lots of beer.
In <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region>
everyone aspires to gain admittance into the top level (which flies the F3A
schedules and from which their World team is selected). The flip side is
that if you start flying poorly or not at all, you find yourself moving back a
class or two.<br>
<br>
Such a system has a lot of merit. Keep flying well against your peers, you move
up. Fly poorly, you move down. The beer sounds good too. Celebrate on the way
up, commiserate on the way down, drinks all around in either case.<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
On 9/22/2010 6:28 PM, Dave wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>John,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>First, without picking a side on this
particular debate, I’d offer the following comments / perspectives
–</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>- Historically, surveys and polls have
answered that integrated looping/rolling maneuvers should not be included in
the Masters pattern.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>- an “airplane killer” looks a
lot differently to a skilled Masters pilot compared to a middle of the pack
advanced pilot moving into Masters, and this concern has historically been
expressed, and is a hot button for a substantial number.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Second, my opinions -</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I fly FAI because I want to…I want
the more challenging schedules and higher level of competition. Arguably,
the FAI P schedule is not more difficult in some years, and I could easily
argue it does not contain state of the art maneuvers, but flying FAI is still
more difficult if for no other reason than a pilots time must be split between
flying P, F, and unknowns.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Masters has a wide range of pilot
abilities, and is “home” for many for different reasons. As
such, it will always be a compromise class, unlike FAI F3A which is focused on
picking the best F3A Team in the world and the best individual pilot in the
world. So long as the majority of Masters do not want state of the art
maneuvers, Masters should not have state of the art maneuvers.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I do believe it might be a little easier
to establish and maintain the difficulty level of each class and the steps
between the classes IF a system were established that required a pilot advance
to the next higher class based on achieving a given proficiency, and also
demoted a pilot who did not achieve a minimum standard. Several countries
use this approach, and from what I have seen, it appears to work as well or
better than the point system used in the </span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:windowtext'><ns1:country-region w:insAuthor="Unknown"
w:insDate="2010-09-23T11:07:00Z" w:endInsAuthor="Unknown"
w:endInsDate="2010-09-23T11:07:00Z"><ns1:place w:insAuthor="Unknown"
w:insDate="2010-09-23T11:07:00Z" w:endInsAuthor="Unknown"
w:endInsDate="2010-09-23T11:07:00Z"><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on"><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>US</span></font></st1:place></st1:country-region></ns1:place></ns1:country-region></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>. Mandatory advancement to F3A is a separate, but related
topic.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dave Lockhart</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><a href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>John Gayer<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 22,
2010 6:40 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <ns1:personname
w:insAuthor="Unknown" w:insDate="2010-09-23T11:07:00Z" w:endInsAuthor="Unknown"
w:endInsDate="2010-09-23T11:07:00Z"><st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern
discussion</st1:PersonName></ns1:personname>; Mark Hunt<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Ro , serif"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Ro \, serif"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Ro , serif"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Ro \, serif"'>Derek,<br>
<br>
I thought we already selected a pattern through the survey. Is the survey now
meaningless because it chose the wrong length pattern?<br>
<br>
I'm not quite sure I understand the logic behind raising the complexity of the
short pattern at this late date, either. The sequence committee has
worked on these patterns for two years or so and now it appears that because of
a few comments at the Nats or whatever that all that work and the surveys are
to be thrown out or at least revisited.<br>
I offered comments on the patterns 6 months ago and and said at that time that
the Masters pattern was too easy in some areas. Didn't see anyone jumping to
and making changes then. <br>
Comments about airplane killer maneuvers are also uncalled for. Any Masters
pilot should be able to perform integrated roll/loop maneuvers without
endangering the airplane. Making them good enough to score 8s and 9s, well
that's a different matter. If you are making changes to the Masters
pattern and keeping its role as a destination class, I firmly believe it should
contain <u>state of the art</u> pattern maneuvers.<br>
<br>
John Gayer<br>
District 6 Advanced pilot<br>
<br>
<br>
On 9/22/2010 4:10 PM, Derek Koopowitz wrote: </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Ro , serif"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Ro \, serif"'>Dave, </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New , serif"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New \, serif"'>You are correct in
that everyone is impacted on a short vs long schedule - my apologies for the
definition of who is impacted. Regardless, please voice your opinion to
your District VP.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New \, serif"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>-Derek<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times Ne , serif"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times Ne \, serif"'>On Wed, Sep 22, 2010
at 3:05 PM, Dave Burton <<a href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</a>>
wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Derek,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I really object to your definition of
who has “Skin in the game” - <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>We all do if we pay our dues and attend contest</span></b>.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The “skin” is the impact of
a long vs. short sequence for every Masters flyer, Flyer who will be flying
Masters in the next two years, every flyer/non flyer who judges at a contest,
and every other flyer in all the other class who have to wait until the
typically large Masters class finishes whatever sequence they fly.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>So, whether I fly Masters in the next
two years or not, I intend to let my opinion be known to my district VP and I
expect him to give my view the same weight of any other opinion from
“Masters” flyers or others. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>This is an issue that should not be
decided by only “Masters” flyers.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Dave Burton</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Derek Koopowitz<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 22,
2010 5:31 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext'><ns1:personname
w:insAuthor="Unknown" w:insDate="2010-09-23T11:07:00Z" w:endInsAuthor="Unknown"
w:endInsDate="2010-09-23T11:07:00Z"><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font
color=black><span style='color:black'>General pattern discussion</span></font></st1:PersonName></ns1:personname></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Over 10 months ago the NSRCA Sequence Committee
completed its work on the new sequences. These were posted on the NSRCA
website for review and comment - see below:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><a
href="http://nsrca.us/proposedsequences/2011sequences.html" target="_blank">http://nsrca.us/proposedsequences/2011sequences.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Included in all this material was a draft document
that outlined the process on how sequences are developed, tested and approved
and the makeup/content of the sequences based on the class it is meant to
serve. This document is titled "NSRCA Procedures, Standards and
Guidelines for AMA R/C Precision Aerobatics Sequence Development". A
mouthful, but it does outline a lot of information. It details the
charter for the Sequence Committee, sequence development standards and guidelines
for all classes, catalog of maneuvers for all classes and the process that the
NSRCA will follow in designing, testing and approving changes to sequences, or
for proposed sequences. These sequence development standards and
guidelines have been in place for about 4 years now and have been used very
successfully to build the current set of sequences that everyone is flying
today, in addition to the prior Masters sequence (and the new one as well).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Overall we received positive comments on the proposed
sequences from Sportsman through Masters. As you know, there were two
sequences developed for Masters, a long sequence using the standard 23 maneuver
count and a short sequence using 19 maneuvers. In the time since we
posted the sequences, some informal surveys were also made on the NSRCA website
as well as on RCU asking for a preference of either the short or long Masters
schedule. The overwhelming majority of respondents chose the short
sequence. However, these surveys were a little flawed in that we didn't
really know who was voting for them - were they all judges/pilots who voted
because they didn't want to judge a long sequence, or were they really current
and/or future Masters pilots that really did want to fly a shorter sequence.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Since the release of the proposed schedules, and some
post Nats comments, the sequence committee has been hard at work making some
tweaks to the short schedule with a view to increasing the difficulty level of
the short Masters sequence to bring it into line with the long Masters sequence
and also to ensure that we weren't lowering the bar in difficulty by
introducing a shorter sequence. Bear in mind that the short sequence is
only 19 maneuvers (17 of them flyable) so raising the difficulty level is a
challenge if one is to avoid using some existing F3A type maneuvers, or
"airplane killers", and to only use maneuvers that match the
philosophy that we've embraced for a number of years. Since we've never
developed a short Masters sequence, we need to make sure we get it right and
that it not only provides a challenge to those that fly it but that it still
provides a somewhat relatively higher jump for those pilots that are moving up
from Advanced. We realize that creating a perfect schedule is not going
to happen - we won't be able to please every pilot that moves up from Advanced,
nor will we be able to please some former F3A pilots that think the schedule is
too easy and isn't enough of a challenge. There has to be a balance.
The Sequence Committee came up with some good positive changes and these
are being vetted/tested as I write this. They've received extremely
positive feedback from everyone that has either flown the newer short sequence
on a simulator or using their pattern plane at the field. By the end of
this weekend we'll know for sure whether it is a keeper or not.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>When we do post the revised sequence I would like all
of you that have "skin in this game", meaning you are a current
Masters pilot or will be moving to Masters in the next year or two, to please
contact your NSRCA District VP and let them know what your preference is -
short or long sequence. The reason they need to know is that the NSRCA
board will vote in the next couple of weeks to approve all the proposed
sequences and also to select which sequence the Masters class will be flying in
2011/2012.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>The Sequence Committee is comprised of Joe Lachowski,
Dave Lockhart, Verne Koester, Bill Glaze, Archie Stafford, and Richard Lewis.
They've put in an extraordinary amount of work on these sequences and
documentation and deserve huge kudos from everyone! Thanks guys - your
work is very much appreciated!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>We've also created a Sequence Committee section on the
NSRCA website which will have more information soon. It will contain the
updated draft documentation and all the proposed sequences in one location.
You can get to the new section from the main menu - just look for
Sequence Committee - it is near the bottom of the menu.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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