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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Bottom line, the current sportsman sequence really doesn’t need
to be flown twice like the old one. I think this is all moot now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My son is flying sportsman and I can tell you that by the time
he’s finished the sequence, he’s “spent”. He flies it well, but it requires
4-5 min of intense concentration for him and after that he’s more than ready to
land. Even in practice I seldom get him to fly through parts of it twice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>Mark Atwood</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Keith
Hoard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ldiamond; General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sportsman Option<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>If you only had one or two
Sportsmen flying electric, have their caller carry a second battery out with
them. Land, swap batts, and go again. I guess this would also
require a waiver to the "no touchy your aircraft" rule, but I'm sure
most guys would be OK with it in Sportsman.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:11 AM, <<a
href="mailto:ldiamond@diamondrc.com">ldiamond@diamondrc.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Arch, this is a great point. I sanctioned the Evansville
contest with the Sportsman option to be determined at the pilots meeting. We
had guys flying electric, and decided not to use it for this reason.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Larry<br>
<br>
--- On <b>Thu, 9/23/10, Archie Stafford <i><<a
href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net" target="_blank">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: Archie Stafford <<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net"
target="_blank">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sportsman Option<br>
To: "General pattern discussion" <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 10:38 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>And for guys flying smaller electrics, this would be
tough. My son Caleb is going to try his first contest hopefully next
month at Green Sea. He has a .40 size Great Planes Escpade on 4S 3000
packs. There is no way he could fly the sequence twice on a charge.
If we are encouraging people to fly sportsman with anything they have, we
could potentially run some off if we did this. <br>
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<b>On Thu 09/23/10 10:29 AM , "Atwood, Mark" <a
href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com" target="_blank">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>
sent:</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I think there is a lot of
flexibility here. We had a contest a few years back where we did the
“fly through it twice” option and we scored all the rounds and kept the best
8 of 12 for the contest. Sportsmen got to fly more, and had more throw
aways. Everyone seemed to be happy.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The current sportsman
schedule is not as short as the old one was and so there has been less of a
need to do this.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Mark Atwood</span></b> <o:p></o:p></p>
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color:black'> President</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:ldiamond@diamondrc.com" target="_blank">ldiamond@diamondrc.com</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sportsman Option</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>I agree, hence why I stated it in parenthesis at the end of my comment.
My opinion is that a Sportsman pilot would only fly 1/2 of the rounds as
the rest of the pilots. Pro's and Con's with this...When I flew Sportsman,
I can say I felt a little cheated not flying on a Sunday because all my
rounds were complete by the third round on Saturday.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>I also believe the intent was to allow for more flight maneuvers at a
contest to increase the learning curve of the Sportsman and reward the best
sequence of the flight. I would find it difficult to believe the intent of
this rule was get them done faster.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>As a CD I would never use the Sportsman Option to count as two rounds.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Larry Diamond<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><br>
--- On <b>Thu, 9/23/10, Jon Lowe </b>wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>
From: Jon Lowe <br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and
beyond<br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 10:04 AM <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>The</span><span
style='color:black'> rule for sportsman only says <b>"suggested
procedure"</b>. Where the suggested procedure leaves off and the
requirement restarts is unclear. We've used the tow rounds per fligh</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Jon Lowe</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> </span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
From: Gene Maurice <br>
To: <a href="mailto:ldiamond@diamondrc.com" target="_blank">ldiamond@diamondrc.com</a>;
'General pattern discussion' <br>
Sent: Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:48 am<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and
beyond</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>"BTW, the rules also
state that a CD can have Sportsman fly their sequence back-to-back if
they'd like to fly a little longer."</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>It's a little vague, but I
don't interpret the Sportsman Option to be considered as two rounds. I have
seen this done in the past (albeit not recent). The scoring is the
best sequence of the flight with TO/L counting the same for both.
PACSS doesn't solve for this, so it's difficult to produce scores for this
(suggested procedure).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I’m working on it, but, as
you said, “it’ difficult to produce……….” AND difficult to program. Part of
the problem is the statement in the rules that “The Contest Director may
use this option on a round by round basis.”. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The scoring can be handled
in the system today by changing the Scoring Parameters to “Throw Out 0 High
Rounds and Throw Out 0 Low Rounds”, produce the standing for all 12
rounds and manually determine the ‘keepers’. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> I would like to hear
how you would like to see this presented in the system.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Gene Maurice</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gene.maurice@sgmservice.com"
target="_blank">gene.maurice@sgmservice.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Dallas, GA</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>AMA 3408</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>NSRCA 877</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://PACSS.sgmservice.com" target="_blank">PACSS.sgmservice.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>From:</span></b><span
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target="_blank">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b><a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ldiamond@diamondrc.com"
target="_blank">ldiamond@diamondrc.com</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011
and beyond</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b>"BTW, the rules also state that a CD can have Sportsman fly
their sequence back-to-back if they'd like to fly a little longer."</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>It's a little vague, but I don't
interpret the Sportsman Option to be considered as two rounds. I have
seen this done in the past (albeit not recent). The scoring is the
best sequence of the flight with TO/L counting the same for both.
PACSS doesn't solve for this, so it's difficult to produce scores for
this (suggested procedure).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>OK, back on topic...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Masters Short Vs Long...I haven't
compared the two...However, IMHO keep the length and K-Factor constant in
terms of flight time and difficulty for every AMA Class. If the Masters
Class is subjected to a "Feature Creep" process to challenge
those that have been in the class many moons, then the gap between
Advanced and Masters grows. Not a good thing for all AMA classes as this
gap will surely be distributed to the lower classes for balance.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Using this philosophy, if a Master
Pilot feels that the sequence is too easy and no longer a challenge
to them, I say...Move up to FAI...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Looking forward, into the future,
seriously...If Masters Pilots do not move up to FAI and see the
Masters Class as a Destination Class, what competition will our
prospective US Team Pilots face to get ready? Currently, there are
few people flying FAI at local contests. This can only mean that the
level of competition for FAI is down in the USA. If the level of
competition is down, how can one become consistent and reach their
potential as a World USA Team Member?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>If the Masters Class is not held at a
constant level of difficulty, then there is No Incentive to move up to
FAI. The US will suffer for it in World Competition as pilots or not
challenged on a regular basis and practicing for the Worlds is not the
same as Competition Experience at a contest.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>For the argument of a Masters Pilot to
say, “I don’t have and never will have a desire to fly FAI”, I say,
"no problem"…Just don’t expect the level of Masters to become
more difficult to challenge you.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Now that you read all this, I don’t
have skin in the game, or do I…If a pilot wants to fly, I will judge no
matter how long the sequence is.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Many of the guys at the top have
invested their time in me to become a better pilot. I would never turn my
back and say, "I don't want to judge because the Masters Class is
too long". That, IMHO, would be a slap in the face to every pilot
that called and coached me to be a better pilot. I don't know of anybody
that has learned to fly Pattern on their own.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>My .02, flame suit on!!!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Larry “No Skin in the Game” Diamond</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Intermediate Pilot, Bottom Feeder</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>NSRCA 3083</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>AMA 5024<o:p></o:p></p>
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--- On <b>Wed, 9/22/10, Derek Koopowitz <i><<a
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target="_blank">derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: Derek Koopowitz <<a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=derekkoopowitz@gmail.com"
target="_blank">derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and
beyond<br>
To: "General pattern discussion" <<a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 7:10 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Pattern length for each class has been a design criteria for a number
of years and it has been used very successfully to build current and past
sequences. Since we are using each of the classes as a building
block to the next higher class, it makes sense to use each sequence to
work on and build flying skills. One can only do so much with
maneuvers in a class before it becomes too intense for the pilot and
wears them out (in the lower classes) - that's why Sportsman has box
entry/exit breaks during the sequence. BTW, the rules also state
that a CD can have Sportsman fly their sequence back-to-back if they'd
like to fly a little longer.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:53 PM, John Gayer <<a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jgghome@comcast.net"
target="_blank">jgghome@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Derek,<br>
<br>
When it comes to the pattern length we should all have a say. Why should
the Masters pattern have more maneuvers and take longer than any other
pattern? You cannot say there is no impact on other flyers and their
judging duties when Masters is often the largest class and use more than
their share of the contest time as well. You <i>could</i> say that the
"content" of each class pattern should be up to those with
"skin" in the game.<br>
<br>
There was nothing in the survey that stated "Vote only for the
patterns in the class you are flying or may fly next year". Nor do I
believe that such a statement should be added.<br>
<span style='color:#888888'><br>
John</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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On 9/22/2010 4:30 PM, Derek Koopowitz wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Dave, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>After writing my reply to you I got to thinking again and I don't
agree with your assessment. This is about selecting a sequence that
matter to the people that fly it not to the people that judge it or to
the people that may have to wait around to fly again because of a large
Masters turnout.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Flame away...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>-Derek<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Dave Burton <<a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=burtona@atmc.net"
target="_blank">burtona@atmc.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Derek,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I really object to your
definition of who has “Skin in the game” - <b>We all do if we pay
our dues and attend contest</b>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The “skin” is the impact
of a long vs. short sequence for every Masters flyer, Flyer who will be
flying Masters in the next two years, every flyer/non flyer who judges at
a contest, and every other flyer in all the other class who have to wait
until the typically large Masters class finishes whatever sequence they
fly.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>So, whether I fly Masters
in the next two years or not, I intend to let my opinion be known to my
district VP and I expect him to give my view the same weight of any other
opinion from “Masters” flyers or others. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>This is an issue that
should not be decided by only “Masters” flyers.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Dave Burton</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a
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target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Derek Koopowitz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 22, 2010 5:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and
beyond<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Over 10 months ago the NSRCA Sequence Committee completed its work on
the new sequences. These were posted on the NSRCA website for
review and comment - see below:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><a href="http://nsrca.us/proposedsequences/2011sequences.html"
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<p>Included in all this material was a draft document that outlined the
process on how sequences are developed, tested and approved and the
makeup/content of the sequences based on the class it is meant to serve.
This document is titled "NSRCA Procedures, Standards and
Guidelines for AMA R/C Precision Aerobatics Sequence Development".
A mouthful, but it does outline a lot of information. It
details the charter for the Sequence Committee, sequence development
standards and guidelines for all classes, catalog of maneuvers for all
classes and the process that the NSRCA will follow in designing, testing
and approving changes to sequences, or for proposed sequences.
These sequence development standards and guidelines have been in
place for about 4 years now and have been used very successfully to build
the current set of sequences that everyone is flying today, in addition
to the prior Masters sequence (and the new one as well).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Overall we received positive comments on the proposed sequences from
Sportsman through Masters. As you know, there were two sequences
developed for Masters, a long sequence using the standard 23 maneuver
count and a short sequence using 19 maneuvers. In the time since we
posted the sequences, some informal surveys were also made on the NSRCA
website as well as on RCU asking for a preference of either the short or
long Masters schedule. The overwhelming majority of respondents
chose the short sequence. However, these surveys were a little
flawed in that we didn't really know who was voting for them - were they
all judges/pilots who voted because they didn't want to judge a long
sequence, or were they really current and/or future Masters pilots that
really did want to fly a shorter sequence.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Since the release of the proposed schedules, and some post Nats
comments, the sequence committee has been hard at work making some tweaks
to the short schedule with a view to increasing the difficulty level of
the short Masters sequence to bring it into line with the long Masters
sequence and also to ensure that we weren't lowering the bar in
difficulty by introducing a shorter sequence. Bear in mind that the
short sequence is only 19 maneuvers (17 of them flyable) so raising the
difficulty level is a challenge if one is to avoid using some existing
F3A type maneuvers, or "airplane killers", and to only use maneuvers
that match the philosophy that we've embraced for a number of years.
Since we've never developed a short Masters sequence, we need to
make sure we get it right and that it not only provides a challenge to
those that fly it but that it still provides a somewhat relatively higher
jump for those pilots that are moving up from Advanced. We realize
that creating a perfect schedule is not going to happen - we won't be
able to please every pilot that moves up from Advanced, nor will we be
able to please some former F3A pilots that think the schedule is too easy
and isn't enough of a challenge. There has to be a balance.
The Sequence Committee came up with some good positive changes and
these are being vetted/tested as I write this. They've received extremely
positive feedback from everyone that has either flown the newer short
sequence on a simulator or using their pattern plane at the field.
By the end of this weekend we'll know for sure whether it is a
keeper or not.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>When we do post the revised sequence I would like all of you that have
"skin in this game", meaning you are a current Masters pilot or
will be moving to Masters in the next year or two, to please contact your
NSRCA District VP and let them know what your preference is - short or
long sequence. The reason they need to know is that the NSRCA board
will vote in the next couple of weeks to approve all the proposed
sequences and also to select which sequence the Masters class will be
flying in 2011/2012.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>The Sequence Committee is comprised of Joe Lachowski, Dave Lockhart,
Verne Koester, Bill Glaze, Archie Stafford, and Richard Lewis.
They've put in an extraordinary amount of work on these sequences
and documentation and deserve huge kudos from everyone! Thanks guys
- your work is very much appreciated!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>We've also created a Sequence Committee section on the NSRCA website
which will have more information soon. It will contain the updated
draft documentation and all the proposed sequences in one location.
You can get to the new section from the main menu - just look for
Sequence Committee - it is near the bottom of the menu.<o:p></o:p></p>
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