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    Derek,<br>
    <br>
    I thought we already selected a pattern through the survey. Is the
    survey now meaningless because it chose the wrong length pattern?<br>
    <br>
    I'm not quite sure I understand the logic behind raising the
    complexity of the short pattern at this late date, either.  The
    sequence committee has worked on these patterns for two years or so
    and now it appears that because of a few comments at the Nats or
    whatever that all that work and the surveys are to be thrown out or
    at least revisited.<br>
    I offered comments on the patterns 6 months ago and and said at that
    time that the Masters pattern was too easy in some areas. Didn't see
    anyone jumping to and making changes then. <br>
    Comments about airplane killer maneuvers are also uncalled for. Any
    Masters pilot should be able to perform integrated roll/loop
    maneuvers without endangering the airplane. Making them good enough
    to score 8s and 9s, well that's a different matter.  If you are
    making changes to the Masters pattern and keeping its role as a
    destination class, I firmly believe it should contain <u>state of
      the art</u> pattern maneuvers.<br>
    <br>
    John Gayer<br>
    District 6 Advanced pilot<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    On 9/22/2010 4:10 PM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:
    <blockquote
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      type="cite">Dave,
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      <div>You are correct in that everyone is impacted on a short vs
        long schedule - my apologies for the definition of who is
        impacted.  Regardless, please voice your opinion to your
        District VP.</div>
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      <div>-Derek<br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Dave
          Burton <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
                    color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Derek,</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
                    color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I really object to your
                    definition of who has “Skin in the
                    game” -  <b>We all do if we pay our dues and attend
                      contest</b>.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
                    color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The “skin” is the impact
                    of a long vs. short
                    sequence for every Masters flyer, Flyer who will be
                    flying Masters in the next
                    two years, every flyer/non flyer who judges at a
                    contest, and every other flyer
                    in all the other class who have to wait until the
                    typically large Masters class
                    finishes whatever sequence they fly.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
                    color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">So, whether I fly Masters
                    in the next two years or not, I intend
                    to let my opinion be known to my district VP and I
                    expect him to give my view
                    the same weight of any other opinion from “Masters”
                    flyers or
                    others. </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
                    color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">This is an issue that
                    should not be decided by only “Masters”
                    flyers.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
                    color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Dave Burton</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
                    color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
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                      [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
                        target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Derek
                      Koopowitz<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 22, 2010 5:31 PM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> General pattern discussion</span></p>
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                    <b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA
                    sequences for 2011 and beyond</div>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Over 10 months ago the NSRCA
                  Sequence Committee completed
                  its work on the new sequences.  These were posted on
                  the NSRCA website for
                  review and comment - see below:</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://nsrca.us/proposedsequences/2011sequences.html"
                          target="_blank">http://nsrca.us/proposedsequences/2011sequences.html</a></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Included in all this material
                        was a draft document that
                        outlined the process on how sequences are
                        developed, tested and approved and
                        the makeup/content of the sequences based on the
                        class it is meant to serve.
                         This document is titled "NSRCA Procedures,
                        Standards and Guidelines
                        for AMA R/C Precision Aerobatics Sequence
                        Development".  A mouthful,
                        but it does outline a lot of information.  It
                        details the charter for the
                        Sequence Committee, sequence development
                        standards and guidelines for all
                        classes, catalog of maneuvers for all classes
                        and the process that the NSRCA
                        will follow in designing, testing and approving
                        changes to sequences, or for
                        proposed sequences.  These sequence development
                        standards and guidelines
                        have been in place for about 4 years now and
                        have been used very successfully
                        to build the current set of sequences that
                        everyone is flying today, in
                        addition to the prior Masters sequence (and the
                        new one as well).</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Overall we received positive
                        comments on the proposed
                        sequences from Sportsman through Masters.  As
                        you know, there were two
                        sequences developed for Masters, a long sequence
                        using the standard 23 maneuver
                        count and a short sequence using 19 maneuvers.
                         In the time since we
                        posted the sequences, some informal surveys were
                        also made on the NSRCA website
                        as well as on RCU asking for a preference of
                        either the short or long Masters
                        schedule.  The overwhelming majority of
                        respondents chose the short
                        sequence.  However, these surveys were a little
                        flawed in that we didn't
                        really know who was voting for them - were they
                        all judges/pilots who voted
                        because they didn't want to judge a long
                        sequence, or were they really current
                        and/or future Masters pilots that really did
                        want to fly a shorter sequence.</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Since the release of the
                        proposed schedules, and some post
                        Nats comments, the sequence committee has been
                        hard at work making some tweaks
                        to the short schedule with a view to increasing
                        the difficulty level of the
                        short Masters sequence to bring it into line
                        with the long Masters sequence and
                        also to ensure that we weren't lowering the bar
                        in difficulty by introducing a
                        shorter sequence.  Bear in mind that the short
                        sequence is only 19
                        maneuvers (17 of them flyable) so raising the
                        difficulty level is a challenge
                        if one is to avoid using some existing F3A type
                        maneuvers, or "airplane
                        killers", and to only use maneuvers that match
                        the philosophy that we've
                        embraced for a number of years.  Since we've
                        never developed a short
                        Masters sequence, we need to make sure we get it
                        right and that it not only
                        provides a challenge to those that fly it but
                        that it still provides a somewhat
                        relatively higher jump for those pilots that are
                        moving up from Advanced.
                         We realize that creating a perfect schedule is
                        not going to happen - we
                        won't be able to please every pilot that moves
                        up from Advanced, nor will we be
                        able to please some former F3A pilots that think
                        the schedule is too easy and
                        isn't enough of a challenge.  There has to be a
                        balance.  The
                        Sequence Committee came up with some good
                        positive changes and these are being
                        vetted/tested as I write this.  They've received
                        extremely positive
                        feedback from everyone that has either flown the
                        newer short sequence on a
                        simulator or using their pattern plane at the
                        field.  By the end of this
                        weekend we'll know for sure whether it is a
                        keeper or not.</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">When we do post the revised
                        sequence I would like all of you
                        that have "skin in this game", meaning you are a
                        current Masters
                        pilot or will be moving to Masters in the next
                        year or two, to please contact
                        your NSRCA District VP and let them know what
                        your preference is - short or
                        long sequence.  The reason they need to know is
                        that the NSRCA board will
                        vote in the next couple of weeks to approve all
                        the proposed sequences and also
                        to select which sequence the Masters class will
                        be flying in 2011/2012.</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">The Sequence Committee is
                        comprised of Joe Lachowski, Dave
                        Lockhart, Verne Koester, Bill Glaze, Archie
                        Stafford, and Richard Lewis.
                         They've put in an extraordinary amount of work
                        on these sequences and
                        documentation and deserve huge kudos from
                        everyone!  Thanks guys - your
                        work is very much appreciated!</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">We've also created a Sequence
                        Committee section on the NSRCA
                        website which will have more information soon.
                         It will contain the
                        updated draft documentation and all the proposed
                        sequences in one location.
                         You can get to the new section from the main
                        menu - just look for
                        Sequence Committee - it is near the bottom of
                        the menu.</p>
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