<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Thanks for letting get a chance to stir the sticks today. Has me thinking . . . . . .<br><br>Bob Kane<br>
getterflash@yahoo.com<br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 9/9/10, Atwood, Mark <i><atwoodm@paragon-inc.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 3D Hobby Shop Osiris<br>To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>Date: Thursday, September 9, 2010, 4:21 PM<br><br><div id="yiv1582138929">
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<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I’ll take the cost savings even one step
further. </span></p>
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<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">For my son, I could easily have him flying one of the glow Black
Magics that were sitting in the basement, or even share my Spark with me.
He’s flown it (and pretty well at that). But he’s NOT ready
for it. </span></p>
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<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">A “Cost” that we don’t see or measure is the
toll that a beginner takes on these fragile 2M planes. Most flying
in Sportsman and Intermediate, and even Advanced still have the occasional
rough landing. We ALL do, but it gets less frequent as we move through
the ranks.</span></p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Sean (my son) has done wonderfully learning to fly and land
(proud dad), but I KNOW that if I put him in a full 2M plane, he’d be
ripping the gear out of it eventually on a rough landing. Or worse,
tearing have the fuselage apart. Not only are the smaller planes
built a little tougher, but with less weight, comes less inertia and less
damage in a rough landing. </span></p>
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<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">So not only do they save considerable money by using a smaller
aircraft, but they save considerable money by only needing ONE!! </span></p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">These planes ARE available…we just need to promote
them. I’m not sure I’d want to legislate them
though. I see some of our beginners doing very well with some old designs
that they’re able to pick up very inexpensively. Prophecy’s,
El Nino’s, SL-1’, Hydeouts, etc. Planes and engines
that are extremely competitive but not state of the art, and usually very well
priced. </span></p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Eliminating these from the competition would actually increase
the costs for those that can no longer sell them. I just
think we have to do more to encourage people to fly more and spend appropriately.</span></p>
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<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "sans-serif";">
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dr Mike<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 3D Hobby Shop Osiris</span></p>
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<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I think this is great. Congratulations a number of ways,
your son’s birthday, the discovery of a good plane and the fun you are
both having.</span></p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">This leads me to something I have been thinking about for a
while and I believe it is something we should pursue.</span></p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">It is not news that our event is starved for youngsters to
participate with us. It is such a shame because this is such a wonderful,
fun, family oriented, very educational, exciting hobby, sport.</span></p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I believe what is killing it is the perception you gotta have a
$4000-$5000 2 meter plane to compete. As you know, the best pilot wins
and he can beat you with an ugly stik.</span></p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I believe we should change sportsman, intermediate, and advanced
to a limited size of 1.75x1.75 meters-max engine 110 4-stroke, 60 2-stroke and
equivalent electric. Other countries are doing this and I believe we
should do this also. It would cut the cost by 75% or so.</span></p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I am all up for this and would like to see support for this.</span></p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks</span></p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Mike </span></p>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Atwood,
Mark<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 09, 2010 11:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] 3D Hobby Shop Osiris</span></p>
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<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal">Hey All,</p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal">I’m not normally one to “gush” over a new
product but given all the talk lately about getting new people into pattern,
making weight, etc, I wanted to relay the great experience I’ve just had
with the new Osiris from 3D Hobby Shop (no, I’m not affiliated with them
in ANY way). Those in D4 are aware that my 13 yr old son has
recently joined me in flying pattern (Big grin here…I’ve been
waiting 13 years for this) and he’s been competing a little bit (2
contests) in sportsman with a 50” AJ Slick. Flying pretty well but
getting his butt handed to him in any sort of wind as the slick only weighs
about 2lbs and is really more of a 3D plane.</p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal">Anyhow, for his 14<sup>th</sup> birthday last week I bought
him one of the new Osiris 62” pattern planes that are designed for a 5S
pack. I figured this would be perfect. He can use my older packs,
and we can basically share batteries which will further extend my investment in
5s packs.</p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal">The plane arrived last week and I have to say, has blown us
away. The kit is immaculate. It took 4 hrs from start to air to get
it ready. EVERYTHING is done. The wheels and pants are already
mounted to the landing gear struts…4 screws and you’re done
mounting the gear. The canopy is already mounted. Control horns
come pre-glued in AND everything is straight. The only real “work”
is mounting the stab which took about 30 minutes because dad is anal about
alignment. But the cut out was dead nuts on, and it required zero
shimming. After that, it was drop in your radio gear and go
fly. All of the hardware supplied was good quality ball links and
pull pull hardware. I didn’t replace anything (which is extremely
unusual for me).</p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal">So all of that was a VERY pleasant surprise as I anticipated
more than a few evenings to get his new plane ready to fly.</p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal">Flying it was even a bigger surprise. For a 62”
plane…basically equivalent to a .60 sized glow plane (think Kaos 60) it
was unbelievable. It’s got the design and moments of a current F3A
plane. The side area is large, wing area is moderate, with tapered tips
Ala the Spark. I was able to trim the plane completely in about 5
flights. The suggested CG was slightly tail heavy for my liking, but
after moving that forward slightly everything fell into place. Mixing was
moderate (less than 5% anywhere), and there was no need for any difficult
adjustments like wing incidents or motor offsets.</p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal">I then flew the FAI P pattern and F pattern without any
difficulties through the rolling figure M (other than my lack of piloting
ability) as well as all of the snaps in the F sequence. Amazing.</p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal">To hand this over to my son for the sportsman sequence
seemed like a crime (though he was growing rather tired of ME flying
“HIS” airplane under the guise of “I’m still trimming
it”. </p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal">All up, I’d say I have less than $700 in this airplane
with kit/motor/ESC/Servos, and less than 4 hrs on the ground from box to
air. I have not weighed it, but I’m guessing it’s in
the 6-7lbs range. I will be bringing the plane to the RCCD
contest in Detroit this weekend as well as my son campaigning with it at the D4
Champs in Cinci next weekend if anyone would like to see/fly it.</p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal">I really think we have a GREAT option for people wanting to
try electric pattern at almost any level. Is it an FAI plane??
No… But it flies like one. Just doesn’t have the size
and presentation. But it’s VERY VERY capable in Sportsman and
Intermediate, and will out fly most of the competitors up through advanced.</p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal">I’m encouraged that we now have several great
options… The Osiris, the Wind S 110, and others for people to get started
with, without spending a fortune.</p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal">BTW- Equipment in the plane. Hacker A50-12S/
Castle Ice 100/ Airtronics 94761’s (mini with 65oz/in of torque) on
Aileron and elevators and a 94773 (Full size 110oz/in of torque) on Rudder.</p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal">Flies a good 7min on a 5000mah 5S pack.</p>
<p class="yiv1582138929MsoNormal">-Mark </p>
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