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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>better get your boys a osiris before they discover
girls!!!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- !!!</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=burtona@atmc.net href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">Dave Burton</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern
discussion'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 09, 2010 3:46
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 3D Hobby
Shop Osiris</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Mike,
I agree about the 110 size planes, they are really fun. I have an electric
Focus Sport, a Sebart Wind S 110 , a Voodoo Express, and I love flying them
too. But I my 2M Integral is a better plane I think, at least it’s easier for
these old eyes to see!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
hope NSRCA will promote your idea in the next rules cycle coming
up.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Dave<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Dr
Mike<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:37 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
'General pattern discussion'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 3D
Hobby Shop Osiris<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Dave<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
was on the fence with advanced, but I have seen many of our veterans switching
to the smaller electrics and it has made them re=energized. I am not too
concerned about the older designs not getting used, most of them die in battle
anyway. Even if you pick them up cheap, they are still very expensive to
operate and those expenses could go toward an inexpensive smaller plane.
Anyway, kids AND DADS! Want a new thing for their sons. That is what I
would do. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">M2c<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Mike
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Dave
Burton<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 09, 2010 3:29 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
'General pattern discussion'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 3D
Hobby Shop Osiris<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
think this is a good idea also, but I’d limit it to Sportsman and
Intermediate. By the time someone moves up or down to Advanced they are
usually pretty serious about pattern and would want to fly the best plane they
could afford. My $0.02<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Dave
Burton<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Dr
Mike<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:09 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
'General pattern discussion'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 3D
Hobby Shop Osiris<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
think this is great. Congratulations a number of ways, your son’s
birthday, the discovery of a good plane and the fun you are both
having.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">This
leads me to something I have been thinking about for a while and I believe it
is something we should pursue.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">It
is not news that our event is starved for youngsters to participate with
us. It is such a shame because this is such a wonderful, fun, family
oriented, very educational, exciting hobby, sport.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
believe what is killing it is the perception you gotta have a $4000-$5000 2
meter plane to compete. As you know, the best pilot wins and he can beat
you with an ugly stik.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
believe we should change sportsman, intermediate, and advanced to a limited
size of 1.75x1.75 meters-max engine 110 4-stroke, 60 2-stroke and equivalent
electric. Other countries are doing this and I believe we should do this
also. It would cut the cost by 75% or so.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
am all up for this and would like to see support for
this.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Thanks<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Mike
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Atwood,
Mark<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 09, 2010 11:02 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] 3D Hobby Shop
Osiris<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Hey All,<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>I’m not normally one to “gush” over a new product but given
all the talk lately about getting new people into pattern, making weight, etc,
I wanted to relay the great experience I’ve just had with the new Osiris from
3D Hobby Shop (no, I’m not affiliated with them in ANY way). Those
in D4 are aware that my 13 yr old son has recently joined me in flying pattern
(Big grin here…I’ve been waiting 13 years for this) and he’s been competing a
little bit (2 contests) in sportsman with a 50” AJ Slick. Flying pretty
well but getting his butt handed to him in any sort of wind as the slick only
weighs about 2lbs and is really more of a 3D plane.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Anyhow, for his 14<SUP>th</SUP> birthday last week I bought
him one of the new Osiris 62” pattern planes that are designed for a 5S
pack. I figured this would be perfect. He can use my older packs,
and we can basically share batteries which will further extend my investment
in 5s packs.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>The plane arrived last week and I have to say, has blown us
away. The kit is immaculate. It took 4 hrs from start to air to
get it ready. EVERYTHING is done. The wheels and pants are already
mounted to the landing gear struts…4 screws and you’re done mounting the
gear. The canopy is already mounted. Control horns come pre-glued
in AND everything is straight. The only real “work” is mounting the stab which
took about 30 minutes because dad is anal about alignment. But the cut
out was dead nuts on, and it required zero shimming. After that,
it was drop in your radio gear and go fly. All of the hardware
supplied was good quality ball links and pull pull hardware. I didn’t
replace anything (which is extremely unusual for me).<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>So all of that was a VERY pleasant surprise as I
anticipated more than a few evenings to get his new plane ready to
fly.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Flying it was even a bigger surprise. For a 62”
plane…basically equivalent to a .60 sized glow plane (think Kaos 60) it was
unbelievable. It’s got the design and moments of a current F3A
plane. The side area is large, wing area is moderate, with tapered tips
Ala the Spark. I was able to trim the plane completely in about 5
flights. The suggested CG was slightly tail heavy for my liking, but
after moving that forward slightly everything fell into place. Mixing
was moderate (less than 5% anywhere), and there was no need for any difficult
adjustments like wing incidents or motor offsets.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>I then flew the FAI P pattern and F pattern without any
difficulties through the rolling figure M (other than my lack of piloting
ability) as well as all of the snaps in the F sequence.
Amazing.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>To hand this over to my son for the sportsman sequence
seemed like a crime (though he was growing rather tired of ME flying “HIS”
airplane under the guise of “I’m still trimming it”.
<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>All up, I’d say I have less than $700 in this airplane with
kit/motor/ESC/Servos, and less than 4 hrs on the ground from box to
air. I have not weighed it, but I’m guessing it’s in the 6-7lbs
range. I will be bringing the plane to the RCCD contest in
Detroit this weekend as well as my son campaigning with it at the D4 Champs in
Cinci next weekend if anyone would like to see/fly it.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>I really think we have a GREAT option for people wanting to
try electric pattern at almost any level. Is it an FAI plane?? No…
But it flies like one. Just doesn’t have the size and
presentation. But it’s VERY VERY capable in Sportsman and
Intermediate, and will out fly most of the competitors up through
advanced.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>I’m encouraged that we now have several great options… The
Osiris, the Wind S 110, and others for people to get started with, without
spending a fortune.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>BTW- Equipment in the plane. Hacker A50-12S/
Castle Ice 100/ Airtronics 94761’s (mini with 65oz/in of torque) on Aileron
and elevators and a 94773 (Full size 110oz/in of torque) on
Rudder.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Flies a good 7min on a 5000mah 5S pack.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>-Mark <o:p></o:p></P>
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