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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: arial">This makes alot of sense and should be tried for at least two rule cycles, to really assess how it works.</div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: arial">Dean Pappas<SPAN contentEditable=false style="DISPLAY: inline-block"></SPAN> was suggesting exactly the same thing several years ago, and sent letters to the CIAM to that effect, among other things (eg-vertical rolling stuff rather than horizontal). It looks like that has not fallen on deaf FAI ears.</div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: arial">Hopefully this suggestion will not fall on deaf AMA ears. I strongly support the suggestion. Hopefully, judging will accommodate the differences in a mature and straight forward manner. The future of the sport could depend on it</div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: arial">regards,</div>
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From: Dr Mike <drmikedds@sbcglobal.net><br>
To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 3D Hobby Shop Osiris<br>
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<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I think this is great. Congratulations a number of ways, your son’s birthday, the discovery of a good plane and the fun you are both having.</SPAN></div>
<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">This leads me to something I have been thinking about for a while and I believe it is something we should pursue.</SPAN></div>
<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">It is not news that our event is starved for youngsters to participate with us. It is such a shame because this is such a wonderful, fun, family oriented, very educational, exciting hobby, sport.</SPAN></div>
<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I believe what is killing it is the perception you gotta have a $4000-$5000 2 meter plane to compete. As you know, the best pilot wins and he can beat you with an ugly stik.</SPAN></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I believe we should change sportsman, intermediate, and advanced to a limited size of 1.75x1.75 meters-max engine 110 4-stroke, 60 2-stroke and equivalent electric. Other countries are doing this and I believe we should do this also. It would cut the cost by 75% or so.</SPAN></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I am all up for this and would like to see support for this.</SPAN></div>
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<B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 09, 2010 11:02 AM<br>
<B>To:</B> General pattern discussion<br>
<B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] 3D Hobby Shop Osiris</SPAN></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal>Hey All,</div>
<div class=MsoNormal>I’m not normally one to “gush” over a new product but given all the talk lately about getting new people into pattern, making weight, etc, I wanted to relay the great experience I’ve just had with the new Osiris from 3D Hobby Shop (no, I’m not affiliated with them in ANY way). Those in D4 are aware that my 13 yr old son has recently joined me in flying pattern (Big grin here…I’ve been waiting 13 years for this) and he’s been competing a little bit (2 contests) in sportsman with a 50” AJ Slick. Flying pretty well but getting his butt handed to him in any sort of wind as the slick only weighs about 2lbs and is really more of a 3D plane.</div>
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<div class=MsoNormal>Anyhow, for his 14<SUP>th</SUP> birthday last week I bought him one of the new Osiris 62” pattern planes that are designed for a 5S pack. I figured this would be perfect. He can use my older packs, and we can basically share batteries which will further extend my investment in 5s packs.</div>
<div class=MsoNormal>The plane arrived last week and I have to say, has blown us away. The kit is immaculate. It took 4 hrs from start to air to get it ready. EVERYTHING is done. The wheels and pants are already mounted to the landing gear struts…4 screws and you’re done mounting the gear. The canopy is already mounted. Control horns come pre-glued in AND everything is straight. The only real “work” is mounting the stab which took about 30 minutes because dad is anal about alignment. But the cut out was dead nuts on, and it required zero shimming. After that, it was drop in your radio gear and go fly. All of the hardware supplied was good quality ball links and pull pull hardware. I didn’t replace anything (which is extremely unusual for me).</div>
<div class=MsoNormal>So all of that was a VERY pleasant surprise as I anticipated more than a few evenings to get his new plane ready to fly.</div>
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<div class=MsoNormal>Flying it was even a bigger surprise. For a 62” plane…basically equivalent to a .60 sized glow plane (think Kaos 60) it was unbelievable. It’s got the design and moments of a current F3A plane. The side area is large, wing area is moderate, with tapered tips Ala the Spark. I was able to trim the plane completely in about 5 flights. The suggested CG was slightly tail heavy for my liking, but after moving that forward slightly everything fell into place. Mixing was moderate (less than 5% anywhere), and there was no need for any difficult adjustments like wing incidents or motor offsets.</div>
<div class=MsoNormal>I then flew the FAI P pattern and F pattern without any difficulties through the rolling figure M (other than my lack of piloting ability) as well as all of the snaps in the F sequence. Amazing.</div>
<div class=MsoNormal>To hand this over to my son for the sportsman sequence seemed like a crime (though he was growing rather tired of ME flying “HIS” airplane under the guise of “I’m still trimming it”. </div>
<div class=MsoNormal>All up, I’d say I have less than $700 in this airplane with kit/motor/ESC/Servos, and less than 4 hrs on the ground from box to air. I have not weighed it, but I’m guessing it’s in the 6-7lbs range. I will be bringing the plane to the RCCD contest in Detroit this weekend as well as my son campaigning with it at the D4 Champs in Cinci next weekend if anyone would like to see/fly it.</div>
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<div class=MsoNormal>I really think we have a GREAT option for people wanting to try electric pattern at almost any level. Is it an FAI plane?? No… But it flies like one. Just doesn’t have the size and presentation. But it’s VERY VERY capable in Sportsman and Intermediate, and will out fly most of the competitors up through advanced.</div>
<div class=MsoNormal>I’m encouraged that we now have several great options… The Osiris, the Wind S 110, and others for people to get started with, without spending a fortune.</div>
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<div class=MsoNormal>BTW- Equipment in the plane. Hacker A50-12S/ Castle Ice 100/ Airtronics 94761’s (mini with 65oz/in of torque) on Aileron and elevators and a 94773 (Full size 110oz/in of torque) on Rudder.</div>
<div class=MsoNormal>Flies a good 7min on a 5000mah 5S pack.</div>
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