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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My response to all this change is expensive is that the stuff
cost just as much 20-30 years ago as it does today-in real money. Aviation
is the very essence of change, otherwise ride a horse drawn buggy. In the
case of electrics, because of the change to electrics, expect the costs of
flying to actually go down. The mentality being expressed here is that
change is too expensive, thereby handicapping the sport. I disagree.
A commitment to this sport at a reasonable level requires the cost of time,
effort, thought, etc, and money. Once again, I will point out that
many top level competitors have chosen economically priced planes, equipment,
etc and won, repeatedly. They won because of all the other factors, not
because they spent the most money. Those that think they need the best,
most expensive gadget need to rethink. Change, in fact, creates more
jobs, sales, etc. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This request to raise the weight limit- a weight limit set
decades ago when the powers that be never imagined anyone could build a 2 meter
airplane that would perform to the level it does- set it to give a large
allowance for a variety of designs-now the weight limit has become restrictive
and in a sense punitive. This a big reason that biplanes are not in the
mix, not because they failed-it is because they have been abandoned because of
the weight restriction.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>No one is required to build an 11 or 12 lb airplane. It certainly
doesn’t guarantee a single trophy nor does it render the competitor
obsolete if he chooses to stay with a lighter airplane. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Money is not the issue because people will spend what people
will spend and they can’t blame the rules for that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Many opposed to this have chosen to go the more expensive route
because that is what they want to do not because it is more competitive. My
issue is not with AMA or the AMA flyers, however, my appeal is to the FAI international
committee. I believe they lost their vision after Ron Chidgey left.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It is what it is.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Mike <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>J N
Hiller<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: weight difference<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle29><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Mark
this is the best description of cost resulting from change I've seen. During my
years in engineering management I found about 90% of the department activity /
cost was not design related but documentation, planning and implementation of
changes. Inventory match-up and run-out was always expensive for both our
distributors and vendors. Millions wasted on continual and questionable
changes.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle29><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle29><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle28><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle28><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b>On Behalf Of </b>Atwood,
Mark<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 24, 2010 6:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: weight difference</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Lol…just your pride.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think what’s missing
from this discussion is the simple truth that “Change” costs money
in a sport where stable rules allow us to standardize around them.
Occasionally, a new technology inserts “change” without any rule
change. 4-Strokes did that a while back (although that was really
the result of a rule change too to allow double displacement to “even
up” the gap between 4-strokes and 2-strokes) and we had a few years of
turmoil and cost escalation as everyone slowly abandoned their .61 long strokes
and moved to 4 strokes. But the “Cost” wasn’t just a
new motor. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It was all the costs involved
with LEARNING how to successfully run and outfit the new motor. New pipe
designs. A myriad of header designs and header braces, new fuels (more
expensive 30%), Soft mounts, and several years of RAPID airplane evolution as
we learned just how much a 4-stroke can pull. Also the motors evolved
rapidly at first until everything started to stabilize
again. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We had a brief period there
where there was some stability, and some cost stability as well. Stores
like Central had confidence to stock Hatori Headers and pipes, 17x12 props, and
a truckload of YS parts. You didn’t need to own quite as much back
up equipment because it was likely that you could borrow a spare
header/plug/o-ring/whatever as most people were running the same or similar
setups. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Change not only directly
affects the consumer, but indirectly affects them as well, when the supply
chain takes a beating on unsold inventory, they have to make up for that with
the new inventory that is selling. Not to mention they don’t HAVE
inventory because they can’t risk overstocking a fad. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The cost of change is
massive. R&D up and down the entire product line.
Everything from new artwork for ads to training on how to repair stuff.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bottom line, Change can be
good… But unnecessary change is just expensive. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Currently we’re going
through another technology change cycle with electric. We’re
probably about 2/3rds of the way through it, to where we’re starting to
see that stability return. Motors aren’t evolving quite as quickly,
most have settled on 5s 5000 20C+ batteries in some form, low cost options for
parts have started to come into the mix, and aircraft designs and SIZE (Volume,
not length and width which has been stable at the limits for 15 years) is also
stabilizing. The Bipes were tried and mostly failed,
etc. ESC’s are well “baked” and
coming down in weight. Stable rules have brought in competition for most parts
which has brought the prices down on almost everything especially motors
and batteries (notice Hacker and TP no longer have a lock on the market and as
such can’t begin to command the prices they once did – also, they
no longer NEED the prices they once did as much of their R&D costs have
been recovered). On and on.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>A major rule change (weighing
without batteries, increasing the weight to 12lbs, etc) will start a lot of
that process over again. I know, I know…it’s an AMA
rule not an FAI rule. But SOME of the same will occur, and there are
downsides to not being aligned with FAI.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The current rule on the table
allows for a variance without changing the goal. The goal is a 5Kg
airplane. If you’re a beginner, you get some slack… but you
still know your goal. If the goal is the same, the idea is
we’ll avoid that evolution and just provide some leeway for those that
need it for whatever reason. Costs, used equipment, beginner building
skills, whatever. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I COULD see an argument for a
larger variance. I originally proposed a full lb for Sportsman, 8oz
for Intermediate and 4oz for Andvanced… idea being that you would
slowly have to work into compliance. But I think the thought there
was that too many would have to change planes to change classes. So
the current proposal has approx a 4oz variance for the bottom 3 classes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
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