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From: J N Hiller <jnhiller@earthlink.net><br>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Dave Burton<br>
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, August 23, 2010 10:33 AM<br>
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: weight difference</SPAN></FONT></div>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, August 23, 2010 1:23 PM<br>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">…nor increasing cost yet again</SPAN></FONT></div>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, August 23, 2010 1:16 PM<br>
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern discussion<br>
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: weight difference</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">This issue has come up time and time again... they just aren't interested in changing the way it is currently done, nor in increasing the weight.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Tony <<A href="mailto:tony@radiosouthrc.com">tony@radiosouthrc.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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My take on Mike’s point was that they should weigh models without the batteries for the motor. I don’t think he was asking about increasing the weight. I believe there are other FAI events where the batteries are removed when the models are weighed, so this is not a new concept to them.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, August 23, 2010 12:37 PM</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern discussion<br>
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: weight difference</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Mike,</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">I've talked at length about the weight issue with the other F3A representatives and there wasn't much support at all for increasing the weight limits.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">-Derek</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
<div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Dr Mike <<A href="mailto:drmikedds@sbcglobal.net">drmikedds@sbcglobal.net</A>> wrote:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, August 23, 2010 9:35 AM<br>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: weight difference</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
<div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> Perhaps another compromise would be to raise the weight limit to 11.5 or 12 lbs., then have a weight penalty that starts at 11lbs and increases hyperbolically up to the max weight. <br>
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It could start at 2% at 11lb 1oz., 5% at 11 lb., 2oz., 7% at 11lb. 3oz., on up to 40% score reduction at 12 lbs.<br>
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This rule wouldn't affect anyone at local contests nor guys who aren't in the hunt for hardware at the Nats. The top guys at the Nats wouldn't have to worry about being DQ'd for weight HOWEVER if you want to stay in the top you better have a light airplane. . . or be able to fly 40% better than everyone else . . </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
<div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Dave <<A href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A>> wrote:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:29 PM<br>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">At this point we'll agree to disagree. The "cushion rule" is a good thing and might just achieve what I want while maintaining the spirit of the rules that you want.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Time will tell.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Lively discussion and debate brings out points from all sides the other might not have thought of.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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From: <A href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net">davel322@comcast.net</A> <<A href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net">davel322@comcast.net</A>><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: weight difference<br>
To: "General pattern discussion" <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><br>
Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 12:07 PM</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">I'm well aware of where the rules changes came from (FAI), and how they were followed by AMA, and it changes nothing with respect to my original point. When the limits have increased, increased costs have followed without exception.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Pattern planes are limited in cost because we have limits...and the most competitive are the most costly - that will never change. Increase the limits, and the costs for the most competitive setups will increase - it always has, and it always will.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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From: "Tim Taylor" <<A href="mailto:timsautopro@yahoo.com">timsautopro@yahoo.com</A>><br>
To: "General pattern discussion" <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><br>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 8:25:18 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: weight difference</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">One minor detail that throws a wrench into the history and today.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">All 4 of those changes that made huge changes in our sport were from the top down.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> FAI made those changes and we have what we have today.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">The change we're talking about only effects the US in AMA classes, not FAI.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">There are no pattern kits currently being designed and built in mass in the USA. Even if they were they'd likely be designed by guys in FAI. They will NOT design an airplane that cannot compete at the FAI level. It just wont happen.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> He won't pass the noise test anyway. :)</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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--- On <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Fri, 8/20/10, Dave <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"><<A href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A>></SPAN></I></SPAN></B> wrote:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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From: Dave <<A href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A>><br>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: weight difference<br>
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><br>
Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 5:54 PM</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> Dave [mailto:<A href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A>] <br>
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, August 20, 2010 10:17 AM<br>
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [NSRCA-discussion] weight difference</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">This whole discussion is one where history really does speak volumes –</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">In short, there has always been a limiting factor (whether size, weight, power, noise). That limit has always been pushed by the top level competitors, and the top level stuff is always the most expensive, and it offers a competitive advantage over cheaper setups. And the masses (certainly 90+% anyway) follow the guys at the top.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">In short, everytime a limiting factor has been increased (for whatever reasons), the size, cost, expense, etc has increased. Cheaper options are available now, and they are not as competitive. Change the rules, and cheaper options will still be available and still not be as competitive as the new standard that will be achieved by the top level competitors that push the new limits. In the last 20 or so years, I’ve seen this cycle about 4 times. There is no magical rule or formula that will change this for open competition…the cycle will repeat every time a limit is raised.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">Regards,</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [mailto:<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ed Alt<br>
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, August 20, 2010 1:55 AM<br>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight difference</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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I should have checked my building noes first - it was actually 10 lbs 4 oz. But I'm not a professional builder either. Point is, it can be done within the existing rules. You just have to get past the idea that it can't be done.<br>
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