Tony,<div><br></div><div>This issue has come up time and time again... they just aren't interested in changing the way it is currently done, nor in increasing the weight.</div><div><br></div><div>-Derek<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Tony <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tony@radiosouthrc.com">tony@radiosouthrc.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Derek:<br>
My take on Mike’s point was that they should weigh models without the batteries
for the motor. I don’t think he was asking about increasing the weight. I
believe there are other FAI events where the batteries are removed when the
models are weighed, so this is not a new concept to them.</span></font></p><div class="im">
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<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Derek Koopowitz<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 23, 2010
12:37 PM</span></font></p><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> General
pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
FW: weight difference</div></div></font><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I've talked at length about the weight issue with the other F3A
representatives and there wasn't much support at all for increasing the weight
limits.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Dr Mike <<a href="mailto:drmikedds@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">drmikedds@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I think all of that is too complicated. As you are all
aware, it is really FAI rules that is the problem. I recommend we urge
our FAI rep to change the rule to weigh airplanes without batteries. This
argument has been presented before, but I think it needs to be pressed.
Batteries are just fuel. A fuel weight limit could be imposed. I
fly IC and loaded with fuel it is 12 lbs 4oz at least. All of this is
old, old news, but it should be pressed, I believe. </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Mike </span></font></p>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Keith Hoard<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 23, 2010 9:35
AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> General
pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
FW: weight difference</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> Perhaps
another compromise would be to raise the weight limit to 11.5 or 12 lbs., then
have a weight penalty that starts at 11lbs and increases hyperbolically up to
the max weight. <br>
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It could start at 2% at 11lb 1oz., 5% at 11 lb., 2oz., 7% at 11lb. 3oz.,
on up to 40% score reduction at 12 lbs.<br>
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This rule wouldn't affect anyone at local contests nor guys who aren't
in the hunt for hardware at the Nats. The top guys at the Nats wouldn't have to
worry about being DQ'd for weight HOWEVER if you want to stay in the top you
better have a light airplane. . . or be able to fly 40% better than everyone
else . . </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Mon, Aug 23,
2010 at 9:15 AM, Dave <<a href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net" target="_blank">DaveL322@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:navy">Tim,</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:navy">Yep…time will tell. This topic has been a debate for many
years….and the “cushion” is the best idea/compromise I have seen since the
weight became a limiting factor.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:navy">Regards,</span></font></p>
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Dave</span></font></p>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Tim Taylor<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, August 22, 2010
12:29 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> General
pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
FW: weight difference</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">At this point
we'll agree to disagree. The "cushion rule" is a good thing and
might just achieve what I want while maintaining the spirit of the rules that
you want.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Time will tell.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Lively
discussion and debate brings out points from all sides the other might not
have thought of.</span></font></p>
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often learn from it.</span></font></p>
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--- On <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sun, 8/22/10, <a href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net" target="_blank">davel322@comcast.net</a> <i><span style="font-style:italic"><<a href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net" target="_blank">davel322@comcast.net</a>></span></i></span></b> wrote:</span></font></p>
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From: <a href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net" target="_blank">davel322@comcast.net</a>
<<a href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net" target="_blank">davel322@comcast.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: weight difference<br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
<<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 12:07 PM</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I'm well aware of where the rules changes came from (FAI), and
how they were followed by AMA, and it changes nothing with respect to my
original point. When the limits have increased, increased costs have
followed without exception.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Pattern planes are quiet because we have a noise rule...even
though it is not enforced locally.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Pattern planes are limited in cost because we have limits...and
the most competitive are the most costly - that will never
change. Increase the limits, and the costs for the most
competitive setups will increase - it always has, and it always will.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">The current proposal to allow a "cushion" to the
weight limit in the lower classes is I think a good idea. For
the FAI based designs (the vast majority), the lightest and most
expensive equipment will not have to be used. For the AMA based
designs (very few in number), planes will still be designed to meet 11
lbs and therefore an increase in size/weight/expense is very unlikely to
happen.</span></font></p>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Tim Taylor" <<a href="mailto:timsautopro@yahoo.com" target="_blank">timsautopro@yahoo.com</a>><br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
<<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 8:25:18 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: weight difference</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">One
minor detail that throws a wrench into the history and today.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">All
4 of those changes that made huge changes in our sport were from the
top down.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> FAI
made those changes and we have what we have today.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The
change we're talking about only effects the US in AMA classes, not FAI.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">There
are no pattern kits currently being designed and built in mass in the USA. Even
if they were they'd likely be designed by guys in FAI. They will NOT design
an airplane that cannot compete at the FAI level. It just wont happen.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">What
harm can it do if I build a Focus2 in Elect and show up 1/2 pound over
weight? </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">What
harm will it do if an Advance flier shows up with a 2 year old airplane
bought from an FAI pilot and he has heavier batteries or repairs have now
made the airplane over weight? </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Will
you have a guy show up with a 50cc 2x2 3d monster from time to time? </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Yes,
</span></font></p>
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it matter?</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> No.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> He
won't pass the noise test anyway. :)</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Can
any CD here honestly tell me that they'll turn a pilot down at a contest
(Besides the nats) because he's 3 oz over weight?</span></font></p>
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doubt it, </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Tim</span></font></p>
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--- On <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Fri, 8/20/10, Dave <i><span style="font-style:italic"><<a href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net" target="_blank">DaveL322@comcast.net</a>></span></i></span></b> wrote:</span></font></p>
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From: Dave <<a href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net" target="_blank">DaveL322@comcast.net</a>><br>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: weight difference<br>
To: "'General pattern discussion'"
<<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 5:54 PM</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:navy">Just noticed this didn’t make it to the list the first
time……was too big with all the RE:RE:RE:RE (trimmed now). And…I’m off
to a contest! </span></font><font size="2" color="navy" face="Wingdings"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:navy">J</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:navy">Dave</span></font> </p>
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<p><b><font size="2" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Dave [mailto:<a href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net" target="_blank">DaveL322@comcast.net</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, August 20, 2010
10:17 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> 'General
pattern discussion'<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> RE:
[NSRCA-discussion] weight difference</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:navy">This whole discussion is one where history really does
speak volumes –</span></font> </p>
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<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:navy">In short, there has always been a limiting factor
(whether size, weight, power, noise). That limit has always been
pushed by the top level competitors, and the top level stuff is always the
most expensive, and it offers a competitive advantage over cheaper setups.
And the masses (certainly 90+% anyway) follow the guys at the top.</span></font>
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<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:navy">In short, everytime a limiting factor has been increased
(for whatever reasons), the size, cost, expense, etc has increased.
Cheaper options are available now, and they are not as competitive.
Change the rules, and cheaper options will still be available and
still not be as competitive as the new standard that will be achieved by
the top level competitors that push the new limits. In the last 20 or
so years, I’ve seen this cycle about 4 times. There is no magical
rule or formula that will change this for open competition…the cycle will
repeat every time a limit is raised.</span></font> </p>
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<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:navy">Regards,</span></font> </p>
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<p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:navy">Dave</span></font> </p>
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<p><b><font size="2" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Ed Alt<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, August 20, 2010
1:55 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> NSRCA List<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] weight difference</span></font></p>
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I should have checked my building noes first - it was actually 10 lbs 4
oz. But I'm not a professional builder either. Point is, it can
be done within the existing rules. You just have to get past the idea
that it can't be done.<br>
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