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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I'm not so sure. I kinda feel that making a
small allowance in the three lower classes might have some </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>merit as the average guy who is overweight
will probably determine with experience that he is operating </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>at a disadvantage and make an effort to remove the
penalty.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>On the other hand, if the percentage penalty is
implemented, my gut tells me that if I know in advance</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>that I have what I consider to be an insurmountable
deficit before I even compete, I'm probably not going</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>to bother showing up, further reducing the turnout
in the lower ranks which is the segment I thought we</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>were trying to reach. Sounds counter-productive to
me.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Georgie </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=vicenterc@comcast.net href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">Vicente
"Vince" Bortone</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 23, 2010 10:39
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW:
weight difference</DIV>
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<P><SPAN>Keith,</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN></SPAN> </P>
<P><SPAN>Great idea. </SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN><BR>Vicente "Vince" Bortone<BR></SPAN><BR>----- Original Message
-----<BR>From: "Keith Hoard" <<A
href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com">khoard@gmail.com</A>><BR>To: "General
pattern discussion" <<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Sent:
Monday, August 23, 2010 9:35:17 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW:
weight difference<BR><BR> Perhaps another compromise would be to raise
the weight limit to 11.5 or 12 lbs., then have a weight penalty that starts at
11lbs and increases hyperbolically up to the max weight. <BR><BR> It
could start at 2% at 11lb 1oz., 5% at 11 lb., 2oz., 7% at 11lb. 3oz., on up to
40% score reduction at 12 lbs.<BR><BR> This rule wouldn't affect anyone
at local contests nor guys who aren't in the hunt for hardware at the Nats.
The top guys at the Nats wouldn't have to worry about being DQ'd for weight
HOWEVER if you want to stay in the top you better have a light airplane. . .
or be able to fly 40% better than everyone else . . <BR><BR></P>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Dave <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net"
target=_blank>DaveL322@comcast.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Tim,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Yep…time will
tell. This topic has been a debate for many years….and the “cushion”
is the best idea/compromise I have seen since the weight became a limiting
factor.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Regards,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR>Dave</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Tim Taylor<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:29
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] FW: weight difference</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dave,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">At this point we'll agree to disagree. The
"cushion rule" is a good thing and might just achieve what I want
while maintaining the spirit of the rules that you
want.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Time will tell.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Lively discussion and debate brings out points
from all sides the other might not have thought
of.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I enjoy it and often learn from
it.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Tim<BR><BR>--- On <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sun, 8/22/10, <A
href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net"
target=_blank>davel322@comcast.net</A> <I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic"><<A href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net"
target=_blank>davel322@comcast.net</A>></SPAN></I></SPAN></B>
wrote:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>From: <A
href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net"
target=_blank>davel322@comcast.net</A> <<A
href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net"
target=_blank>davel322@comcast.net</A>><BR>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] FW: weight difference<BR>To: "General pattern
discussion" <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Date:
Sunday, August 22, 2010, 12:07 PM</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Tim,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I'm well
aware of where the rules changes came from (FAI), and how they were
followed by AMA, and it changes nothing with respect to my original
point. When the limits have increased, increased costs have
followed without exception.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Pattern
planes are quiet because we have a noise rule...even though it is not
enforced locally.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Pattern
planes are limited in cost because we have limits...and the most
competitive are the most costly - that will never
change. Increase the limits, and the costs for the most
competitive setups will increase - it always has, and it always
will.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The current
proposal to allow a "cushion" to the weight limit in the lower classes
is I think a good idea. For the FAI based designs (the vast
majority), the lightest and most expensive equipment will not
have to be used. For the AMA based designs (very few in
number), planes will still be designed to meet 11 lbs and
therefore an increase in size/weight/expense is very unlikely to
happen.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Regards,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dave
L</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black
size=3 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>-----
Original Message -----<BR>From: "Tim Taylor" <<A
href="mailto:timsautopro@yahoo.com"
target=_blank>timsautopro@yahoo.com</A>><BR>To: "General pattern
discussion" <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Sent:
Friday, August 20, 2010 8:25:18 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
FW: weight difference</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dave,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">One minor detail that throws a wrench
into the history and today.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">All 4 of those changes that made
huge changes in our sport were from the top
down.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> FAI made those changes and we have
what we have today.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The change we're talking about only
effects the US in AMA classes, not FAI.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">There are no pattern kits currently
being designed and built in mass in the USA. Even if they were
they'd likely be designed by guys in FAI. They will NOT design
an airplane that cannot compete at the FAI level. It just wont
happen.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">What harm can it do if I build a Focus2
in Elect and show up 1/2 pound over weight?
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">None.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">What harm will it do if an Advance flier
shows up with a 2 year old airplane bought from an FAI pilot and
he has heavier batteries or repairs have now made the airplane
over weight? </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">None.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Will you have a guy show up with a 50cc
2x2 3d monster from time to time? </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Yes, </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">does it matter?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> No.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> He won't pass the noise test
anyway. :)</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Can any CD here honestly tell me that
they'll turn a pilot down at a contest (Besides the nats)
because he's 3 oz over weight?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I doubt it, </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Tim</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>--- On <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Fri, 8/20/10, Dave <I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic"><<A
href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net"
target=_blank>DaveL322@comcast.net</A>></SPAN></I></SPAN></B>
wrote:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>From:
Dave <<A href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net"
target=_blank>DaveL322@comcast.net</A>><BR>Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] FW: weight difference<BR>To: "'General
pattern discussion'" <<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Date:
Friday, August 20, 2010, 5:54 PM</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Just
noticed this didn’t make it to the list the first time……was
too big with all the RE:RE:RE:RE (trimmed now). And…I’m
off to a contest! </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Wingdings><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">J</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Dave</SPAN></FONT>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Dave [mailto:<A
href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net"
target=_blank>DaveL322@comcast.net</A>] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, August 20,
2010 10:17 AM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'General pattern
discussion'<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE:
[NSRCA-discussion] weight difference</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">This
whole discussion is one where history really does speak volumes
–</SPAN></FONT> </P>
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<P><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">In
short, there has always been a limiting factor (whether size,
weight, power, noise). That limit has always been pushed
by the top level competitors, and the top level stuff is always
the most expensive, and it offers a competitive advantage over
cheaper setups. And the masses (certainly 90+% anyway)
follow the guys at the top.</SPAN></FONT> </P>
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<P><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">In
short, everytime a limiting factor has been increased (for
whatever reasons), the size, cost, expense, etc has
increased. Cheaper options are available now, and they are
not as competitive. Change the rules, and cheaper options
will still be available and still not be as competitive as the
new standard that will be achieved by the top level competitors
that push the new limits. In the last 20 or so years, I’ve
seen this cycle about 4 times. There is no magical rule or
formula that will change this for open competition…the cycle
will repeat every time a limit is raised.</SPAN></FONT> </P>
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<P><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Regards,</SPAN></FONT>
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<P><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
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Alt<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>
Friday, August 20, 2010 1:55 AM<BR><B><SPAN
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<P><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR>I should have
checked my building noes first - it was actually 10 lbs 4
oz. But I'm not a professional builder either. Point
is, it can be done within the existing rules. You just
have to get past the idea that it can't be
done.<BR> </SPAN></FONT> </P>
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