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<DIV><SPAN class=190521115-21082010><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>No one
that flys FAI wants the weight to increase or be eliminated because it won't
have any effect on its popularity or cost. NSRCA is a different
story. I firmly believe I am spending a lot more money for a light
airplane that is not going to fly significantly better than a heavier
airplane. All these airplanes fly better than I can already. Why are
people buying Integrals and tossing the wings and building lighter ones.
That cost money and should not be necessary. If you feel that spending
3-$4000 for a 10.5 lbs electric airplane makes you more competitive then by all
means go for it. Just don't make me do it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr lang=en-us class=OutlookMessageHeader align=left><FONT size=2
face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Tim
Taylor<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 20, 2010 8:25 PM<BR><B>To:</B> General
pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: weight
difference<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Dave,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>One minor detail that throws a wrench into the history and
today.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>All 4 of those changes that made huge changes in our sport
were from the top down.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> FAI made those changes and we have what we have today.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The change we're talking about only effects the US in AMA classes,
not FAI.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There are no pattern kits currently being designed and built in
mass in the USA. Even if they were they'd likely be designed by guys in
FAI. They will NOT design an airplane that cannot compete at the FAI
level. It just wont happen.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>What harm can it do if I build a Focus2 in Elect and show up 1/2
pound over weight? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>None.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>What harm will it do if an Advance flier shows up with a 2 year old
airplane bought from an FAI pilot and he has heavier batteries or
repairs have now made the airplane over weight? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>None.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Will you have a guy show up with a 50cc 2x2 3d monster from
time to time? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Yes, </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>does it matter?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> No.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> He won't pass the noise test anyway. :)<BR></DIV>
<DIV>Can any CD here honestly tell me that they'll turn a pilot down at
a contest (Besides the nats) because he's 3 oz over weight?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I doubt it, </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Tim</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 8/20/10, Dave
<I><DaveL322@comcast.net></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From:
Dave <DaveL322@comcast.net><BR>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW:
weight difference<BR>To: "'General pattern discussion'"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date: Friday, August 20,
2010, 5:54 PM<BR><BR>
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<P class=yiv1815758019MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Just noticed
this didn’t make it to the list the first time……was too big with all
the RE:RE:RE:RE (trimmed now). And…I’m off to a contest!
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<P class=yiv1815758019MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2
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<P class=yiv1815758019MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
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Dave [mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, August 20, 2010
10:17 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'General
pattern discussion'<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [NSRCA-discussion]
weight difference</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=yiv1815758019MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">This whole
discussion is one where history really does speak volumes
–</SPAN></FONT>
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<P class=yiv1815758019MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">In short,
there has always been a limiting factor (whether size, weight, power,
noise). That limit has always been pushed by the top level
competitors, and the top level stuff is always the most expensive, and
it offers a competitive advantage over cheaper setups. And the
masses (certainly 90+% anyway) follow the guys at the
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">In short,
everytime a limiting factor has been increased (for whatever reasons),
the size, cost, expense, etc has increased. Cheaper options are
available now, and they are not as competitive. Change the
rules, and cheaper options will still be available and still not be as
competitive as the new standard that will be achieved by the top level
competitors that push the new limits. In the last 20 or so
years, I’ve seen this cycle about 4 times. There is no magical
rule or formula that will change this for open competition…the cycle
will repeat every time a limit is raised.</SPAN></FONT>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ed Alt<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, August 20, 2010
1:55 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA
List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] weight difference</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=yiv1815758019MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR>I should have checked
my building noes first - it was actually 10 lbs 4 oz. But I'm
not a professional builder either. Point is, it can be done
within the existing rules. You just have to get past the idea
that it can't be done.<BR> </SPAN></FONT>
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