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From: Keith Hoard <khoard@gmail.com><br>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Sent: Fri, Aug 20, 2010 10:26 am<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Question.<br>
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<div id=AOLMsgPart_3_b6eabfae-82ec-4ab6-9ad9-d6fd947f4117>Oh boy, you had to bring up the "S"-word. Now guys are going to have to install a liquid helium cooling system for the motor and ESC's. . .<br>
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<div class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 9:20 AM, <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:rcmaster199@aol.com">rcmaster199@aol.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<br>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: arial"><FONT face=arial color=black></FONT><SPAN style="DISPLAY: inline-block"></SPAN>If your motor's windings were superconducting, would the current drawn go up or down for any given power output? Assume same potential. What else would benefit?</div>
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From: Dave <<A href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A>><br>
To: 'General pattern discussion' <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><br>
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<div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Point taken…..</SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’ll add some context……in practice, with any reasonably sized electric motor for pattern, there is no power limit.</SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Even if the weight limit were raised…I don’t think you’d see anyone trying to run a DA200 or Plett Terminator.</SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Noise is still the practical limit for both electric and IC…and that limit becomes increasingly hard to meet as power increases (with electric or glow).</SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Regards,</SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Chad Northeast<br>
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, August 20, 2010 9:59 AM<br>
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<div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dave,<br>
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I don't believe that is entirely correct, there is a limit to the amps on motors, either through saturation or through losses in the windings.<br>
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I am not an expert but what I have been told is there is a point at which torque begins to decrease with increasing amps beyond which point your power out drops with increasing power in.<br>
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So in effect we are "limited"<br>
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Chad<br>
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From: Dave <<A href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A>><br>
Date: Friday, August 20, 2010 7:14 am<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Question.<br>
To: 'General pattern discussion' <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><br>
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> "Power" of an IC engine is generally related to <br>
> displacement...but not<br>
> exclusively..more RPM at the same displacement equals more power.<br>
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> Electrics are limited on voltage only.there is no limit on amps.both<br>
> contribute to power, so there is no limit on electrics.<br>
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> The limiting factor in pattern is really the noise limit, for <br>
> both IC and<br>
> electric.<br>
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> Regards,<br>
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> Dave<br>
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> From: <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><br>
> [<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] On Behalf Of <br>
> Tim Taylor<br>
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 3:13 PM<br>
> To: <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><br>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Question.<br>
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> 4. Model Aircraft Requirements: <br>
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> 4.1: Propulsion source limitations: Electrically-powered model <br>
> aircraft are<br>
> limited to a maximum of 42.56 volts for the propulsion circuit, <br>
> measuredprior to flight while the competitor is in the ready <br>
> box. <br>
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> I see Electrics have a "Displacement" limit, why are they <br>
> limited and the IC<br>
> engines not?<br>
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> I also see they must be checked in the ready box prior to each flight,<br>
> anyone ever have this check done? Even at the worlds?<br>
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> Or is this another ignored rule?<br>
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> Tim<br>
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