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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 11, 2010 7:03
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 15C vs
20C Flightmax batteries</DIV>
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<DIV> I'm far from an expert on Lipo's but I'm on my 5th year of
flying E. pattern so I guess I can tell you from experience. During that
time I've had some success and a whole lot of failures with
Lipo's.</DIV>
<DIV> I had decent success with Zippy 15C's but they pale in
comparison to what I've been getting from the Power Unlimited's so far
this season. I run a pretty aggressive power setup with the AXI 5330 F3A
and I'm pulling about 80amps and over 3000 watst WOT. With a full long
Masters sequence flying on the fast and large side I need a lipo that
can deliver. So far the PUXFU 4900's 20C have been the best. I have 50
cycles and they are showing IR #'s in the high 1's across the packs. I
pull about 4000mils on a competition flight in a moderate wind but I've
had oppseee flights were I've dragged out up to 4400 twice at the Nats.
They took it without a hitch.</DIV>
<DIV> I can't find anything else that has the light weight with the
C rating I need at the lower cost of the PUXFU packs.</DIV>
<DIV> Batteries that have performed well are also the Rhino 4900
20C but they are too heavy for a legal weigh in for my plane. Some of
the top brand name packs I owned had problems but I will
say that the" top brand" has excellent customer service and they always
stood behind their stuff. But they were really pricy too. Notice I
didn't mention the brand.<BR> I've come to the conclusion that
power out of the motor is directly equal to what your taking out of the
lipo's on a given flight. If someone tells you they are getting thru the
masters pattern with 3000 mils or less they are most likely flying a
conservative pattern.</DIV>
<DIV> I watched a lot of flying at the Nats and many of the top
performers were consuming more than the 80% of capacity in their packs.
Then factor in the high heat that the summers bring and it becomes even
more important the you have a mil rating of 20 or more for a wide open
aggressive pattern.</DIV>
<DIV> I have an experimental 25C PUXFU pack that weighs less than
42 ounces that has a similar if not better performance so far.</DIV>
<DIV> Chris and I are close friends but I would never tell people
these packs weren't good if I didn't believe in them.</DIV>
<DIV> Thanks, Mike Mueller<BR>--- On <B>Wed, 8/11/10, Atwood, Mark
<I><atwoodm@paragon-inc.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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[NSRCA-discussion] 15C vs 20C Flightmax batteries<BR>To: "General
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running one of Chris’s 20C packs. It weighs 1195 RTF, and has
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>colin chariandy<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 11, 2010 1:18
PM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern discussion;
verne@twmi.rr.com<BR><B>Cc:</B> Ed White<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] 15C vs 20C Flightmax batteries</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=yiv1197276476MsoNormal>Stupid small
keypad.....</P></DIV>
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<P class=yiv1197276476MsoNormal>I was going to say that it looks
like I'll wait on the 15Cs.</P></DIV>
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<P class=yiv1197276476MsoNormal>For those that need a bit more
power while maintaining a low weight is there an option that is
being used with success (other than TP).</P></DIV>
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<P class=yiv1197276476MsoNormal>Chris Moon has some at 1/2 the
price of TPs...any feedback on these?</P></DIV>
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<P class=yiv1197276476MsoNormal>Is it typical for one to have a
bunch of packs for practice and couple "super packs" for
contests? At the NATs I noticed a number of guys with just 2
packs. What are your choices for those contest packs?</P></DIV>
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<P class=yiv1197276476MsoNormal>I do appreaciate the
feedback...guess I'm trying to climb the learning curve as
raplidly as possible.</P></DIV>
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<P class=yiv1197276476MsoNormal>Thanks</P></DIV>
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<P class=yiv1197276476MsoNormal>Colin.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed,
8/11/10, colin chariandy <I><cchariandy@yahoo.ca></I></B>
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class=yiv1197276476MsoNormal><BR>From: colin chariandy
<cchariandy@yahoo.ca><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
15C vs 20C Flightmax batteries<BR>To: "General pattern
discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>,
verne@twmi.rr.com<BR>Cc: "Ed White"
<edvwhite@yahoo.com><BR>Received: Wednesday, August 11,
2010, 1:10 PM
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class=yiv1197276476MsoNormal>LOOKS<BR><BR>----------<BR>Sent
via Rogers MobileMail<BR><BR>------Original
Message------<BR>From: <<A
href="http://ca.mc1126.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=verne@twmi.rr.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>verne@twmi.rr.com</A>><BR>To:
"General pattern discussion" <<A
href="http://ca.mc1126.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
rel=nofollow
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Cc:
"Ed White" <<A
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rel=nofollow target=_blank>edvwhite@yahoo.com</A>><BR>Date:
Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:46:19 PM GMT-0400<BR>Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 15C vs 20C Flightmax
batteries<BR><BR>The latest 20C packs shown on Hobby City are
heavier yet, though out of stock. I don't remember the actual
weight, but I think it was in the 640g range which is too
heavy for me.<BR><BR>Verne<BR><BR><BR>---- Ed White <<A
href="http://ca.mc1126.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=edvwhite@yahoo.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>edvwhite@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:
<BR><BR>=============<BR>I flew the 15C's last year (about 60
flights per pack) and am still flying them <BR>this year. This
year I added two 20C packs to the mix. I've got perhaps 25
<BR>flights each on the 20C's. Can't see a lot of
difference between them in <BR>flight. The older 15C
IR's (with probably 80+ flights on each) are in the 4-5
<BR>mohm range. The newer 20C's are in the 2-3 mohm
range. I expect that the <BR>lighter weight of the 15C's
compensates for their higher IR's. The current <BR>20C's
are not just 10 grams heavier than the 15C's. Verne's
numbers (587 vs 622 <BR>grams) are right on the money.
This is all on FAI P11 at about 65 amps max <BR><BR><BR>For me
the choice comes down to weight. The lighter weight
seems a bit better <BR>trade off (in P11). In Masters,
or if I were pulling 75 amps, I would probably <BR>go for the
20C's in the hope of better longevity. Though since I
haven't yet <BR>even thought about retiring the 15C's, I
really don't have a longevity
<BR>comparison.<BR><BR>Ed<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>________________________________<BR>From:
colin chariandy <<A
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NSRCA Mailing List <<A
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rel=nofollow
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Sent:
Tue, August 10, 2010 2:14:17 PM<BR>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]
15C vs 20C Flightmax batteries<BR><BR><BR>I noticed that most
are running the 15C 5000 packs but these seem to be in stock
<BR>infrequently. Can anyone comment on the performace of the
20C 5000s from <BR>Flightmax. <BR><BR><BR>What's the weight,
performance and longevity compared to the 15Cs.<BR><BR>I know
there must be reasons that the 15Cs are more popular....just
not sure <BR>what they are. I would have though the 20Cs would
be better as someone reported <BR>that they are only 10gms
more than the 15Cs and would provide a bit more power.
<BR>Additionally I noticed the TPs are 20C...not
15C.<BR><BR>I'm new to the e-scene...so please ignore the
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