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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I will to stand-up for often maligned
Integral…..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have two Integrals with over 1000
flights between the two, so I have a pretty well refined the trim issues(!). I
have no wing adjusters and while I do see some slight differences between the
two in terms of wing incidence and wing incidence relative to each wing, I am
amazed at the ability of CARF to produce such nearly identical models in a mss
production mode (mine were purchased about two years apart) – maybe I got
lucky. I think wing adjusters are useful in any airplane, and I am sure I
could tweak my trim some more if I had them, but I guess the point is I have not
yet thought the benefit was worth the effort. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The key to the trim on this airplane (any
airplane IMO) is as Brian Hebert said: CG position. CG position will make
more of a difference on this airplane than any design I have flown. I
have found 160mm-165mm to be good overall; negligible R to E and R to A mixes
to the point it is better not to mess with mixes. More forward CG than 160
and it flies noticeably nose heavy and rolls are labored. Beyond 175mm it
becomes like pushing a rope. No question, more rearward CG makes it
easier to roll, but has other consequences like the mixes mentioned. At
160ish CG you may need more down-thrust as you will be carrying up-trim
somewhere (wing or elevator) and a bit of throttle to elevator mix at idle. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Weights…I guess I am lucky here
also. Both are 10.75# RTF using Hacker C50Comp; Hacker ESC; TP5000; 2x9650;
2x9551; 1x9157; 930mAh Rx pack; Jaccio regulator; Budd mount; APC 20.5x14; TT;
MK hardware and all the other stuff that goes into these things. One has
a PPG wing tube, but that did not save much weight after having to fatten it up
with tape to match the stock sockets.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I hope this info helps.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Andre Bouchard <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>CHV69@aol.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 06, 2010 8:19
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
C'ARF Integral - Mixing secret?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>In a message dated 7/6/2010 8:59:10 P.M.
Eastern Daylight Time, rcmaster199@aol.com writes:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>This is an ARFie and as arfies go, wing
incidence differential causes what is described here-in. Check that please and
report back<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Matt,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>We had a conversation about my Integral
at Pocono.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Difference in Wing incidence and Low wing
without enough dihedral.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>There are not any wing adjusters on the
stock integral.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I know mine is different from one wing to
the other by a 1/2 a degree.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>If I were to try to get 3 degrees
positive as I have read here on the list I am not sure the holes would be
covered where the stock pins go through the fuse.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I like my Vivat Much better then my
Integral.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Carl<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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