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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>How can it return to an unstalled condition, when
it was never stalled (per Jerry Budd) in the first palce?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=drmikedds@sbcglobal.net href="mailto:drmikedds@sbcglobal.net">Dr
Mike</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern
discussion'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 05, 2010 8:04 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
[F3A-Discussion] snaps</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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that is correct, thanks Matt.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B><A
href="mailto:rcmaster199@aol.com">rcmaster199@aol.com</A><BR><B>Sent:</B>
Sunday, July 04, 2010 6:22 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>;
<A
href="mailto:f3a-discussion@lists.f3a.us">f3a-discussion@lists.f3a.us</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [F3A-Discussion] snaps<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The
F3A maneuver description may be inadequate and/or inaccurate,
however that doesn't much matter for the judge who has the ardeous task
of deciphering the snap. The description stands as is for this cycle and
that's how the World's judges will judge them to the best of their ability
next year. I urge all judges that judge F3A Semis and Finals at this year's
Nats/Team Selection contest to take heed of FAI description (not AMA) and
judge accordingly.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">In
essence, Snaps should not zeroe'd as easily as they once were; far cry
from where it was just a couple years ago. I believe that's the main
reason the rule was written as indicated. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Mike's
point I think deals with bringing the Snap back out of hibernation such that
folks get a chance to re-read it and re-hash just in time for the Team
Selection; fresh in one's mind so to speak<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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K<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Woodward, Jim R (US SSA)
<jim.woodward@baesystems.com><BR>To: 'f3a-discussion@lists.f3a.us'
<f3a-discussion@lists.f3a.us>; 'nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org'
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Sun, Jul 4, 2010 4:27
pm<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [F3A-Discussion] snaps<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Mike,
I'm replying from a blackberry without the benefit of the rulebook in front of
me. I thought these were called "Flick Rolls" now? I don't think any of us are
equipped in the context of judging a 0.5 second manuever to determine if is
"stalled" or "unstalled." I think Jerry Budd posted on the nsrca list the last
dissertation on snaps, which from memory, pretty much proved the planes are
not stalled.<BR><BR>Given you posted this, what do you want to see happen? Thx
Jim W.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">: <A
href="mailto:f3a-discussion-bounces@lists.f3a.us"><U><SPAN
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<BR><B>To</B>: 'General pattern discussion' <<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</SPAN></U></A>>; <A
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<BR><B>Sent</B>: Sun Jul 04 17:11:46 2010<BR><B>Subject</B>: [F3A-Discussion]
snaps </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Given the abundance of snap maneuvers(7 maneuvers, 9 snaps)
in the F-11 pattern, I feel compelled to give the exact description via the
F3A rulebook:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>A snap-roll is a rapid autorotative roll where the model
aircraft is in a stalled attitude, with a continuous high angle of
attack.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Snap rolls have the same judging criteria as axial rolls as
far as start and stop of the rotation, and constant flight path through the
manoeuvre is concerned.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>At the start of a snap-roll, the fuselage attitude must
show a definite break and separation from the flight path, before the rotation
is started, since the model aircraft is supposed to be I a stalled condition
throughout the maneuver. If the stall/break does not occur and the model
aircraft barrel-rolls around, the manoeuvre must be severely downgraded(more
than 5 points). Similarly, axial rolls disguised as snap-rolls must be
severely downgraded(more than 5 points)<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Snap-rolls can be flown both positive and negative, and the
same criteria apply. The attitude(positive or negative) is at the
competitors discretion. If the model aircraft returns to an unstalled
condition during the snap-roll, the manoeuvre is severely downgraded using the
1 point/15 degree rule. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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