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But seriously, what about the 'every once in a while' guy, the fellow/gal who's got their own field on a farm, park fliers, etc. that don't have the slightest idea they are now flying in restricted airspace? As a practical matter, I don't see it as enforceable.<BR>
RS<BR> <BR>
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From: tony@radiosouthrc.com<BR>To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:33:44 -0400<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: [TriVillageNews] FW: NOTAM/TFRfor Chicago, IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)<BR><BR>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Richard Strickland<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, May 26, 2010 5:15 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: [TriVillageNews] FW: NOTAM/TFRfor Chicago, IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">What happens if you play dumb and use the field anyway?<BR>"Ah, SIR, what's a NOTAM?!" They'd probably see me on radar as I got enamored with my M uplines...<BR>RS<BR> </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 13:43:21 -0700<BR>From: mups1953@yahoo.com<BR>To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: [TriVillageNews] FW: NOTAM/TFR for Chicago, IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> Hey Tony thank god we have the AMA. I'm really proud to be a member. It's a fantastic organization and does so much to serve its members mostly with volunteers. We all need to truly understand what it does and has done for all of us.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> Hopefully common sense will prevail and this dumb practice will stop. Till then for the sake of my life haha I'll refrain from flying during a notam. MIke</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <BR><BR>--- On <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Wed, 5/26/10, Tony <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"><tony@radiosouthrc.com></SPAN></I></SPAN></B> wrote:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>From: Tony <tony@radiosouthrc.com><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: [TriVillageNews] FW: NOTAM/TFR for Chicago, IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)<BR>To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 2:29 PM</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Yeah, it is a real pain! Our AMA Governmental Affairs Rep Rich Hansen has been working for over a year now trying to get approval for exceptions for us model aircraft users, but our US Government (Secret Service, Homeland Security) is hard to convince. They actually have verbiage in the rules that says they are approved for “use of deadly force” on any found not complying with the NOTAM! </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">AMA is continuing to work on it. Just thought you might want to know that it has not gone un-noticed. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">139 Altama Connector, Box 322</SPAN></FONT> </P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>mike mueller<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:22 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: [TriVillageNews] FW: NOTAM/TFR for Chicago , IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> The President is spending the weekend plus in Chicago .</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> We are shut down during his entire stay. Why they couldn't just shut us down when he's coming and leaving is beyond reason.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> So from Thursday at 7pm CST to 5PM Monday we are not allowed to use our field because it's within 30 miles of Ohare. 5 days!!!!!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> So much for getting ready for the Shootout on the 4th of June.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> By the way Rusty's big Vintage pattern event is just outside the zone and it won't be affected. Mike<BR><BR>--- On <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Wed, 5/26/10, mups53@aol.com <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"><mups53@aol.com></SPAN></I></SPAN></B> wrote:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<BR>From: rf222@sbcglobal.net<BR>To: trivillagenews@yahoogroups.com<BR>Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 2:04 pm<BR>Subject: [TriVillageNews] FW: NOTAM/TFR for Chicago , IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">After considerable checking and rechecking the millage and the notes in the TFR, we have determined that our field does fall within the 30 nmr TFR. Our field is 25 nm from the center of TFR 1967.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">TFR 1967 specifically states <SPAN class=ecxecxyshortcuts><SPAN style="CURSOR: hand" id=ecxecxlw_1274900599_0>Model Aircraft Operations</SPAN></SPAN> are not authorized within the TFR. Therefore we are not permitted to fly at the field from 7:01 PM CDT on Thursday May 27th through 5:30 PM CDT on Monday May 31st.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> AMA Webmaster [<A href="http://us.mc510.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=webmaster@&">mailto:webmaster@</A> modelaircraft. org] <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:49 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Gary D Stephens<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> NOTAM/TFR for Chicago , IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">A new FDC NOTAM/TFR has been issued for the greater Chicago , IL area beginning at 7:01p on Thursday, 5/27, and lasting until 5:30p CDT on Monday, 5/31. The TFR is issued for security purposes to cover VIP movement in this area. Model aircraft operations are prohibited in this area during the specific times of the TFR. Please note that TFRs are subject to change with very short notice. Check back often for the most current NOTAM/TFR information. <BR><BR>Timely alerts are also available on the web or on you cell phone at: <A href="http://twitter.com/amagov">Twitter.com/ amagov</A>.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<LI class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Area 1 (5/27, 7:01p - 5/31, 5:30p CDT)<BR>(30nm radius from Latitude: 41º54'14"N, Longitude: 87º37'58"W)</SPAN></FONT></LI>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Regards<BR>Gregory Hahn<BR>Technical Director<BR>AMA</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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