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<div><FONT face=Arial>For the sake of argument, I suppose that if one wants' to read things unintended into the rules ad nauseum, then jettisoning fuel via the exhaust is reason for not scoring a flight from the point where exhaust is seen leaving the model. >From the rules: "</FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>If any part of the model aircraft is jettisoned during the flight, scoring will cease at that point and the competitor must be instructed by the flight line director to immediately land his model aircraft."</FONT></FONT></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The OS EFI looked at throttle position (taken from the throttle servo signal pulse width), RPM, and temperature. I disconnected the temp sensor and found it made ZERO difference in running characteristics under normal conditions. Others reported the engine would not even start without the temp sensor connected. My understanding is that EFI computer unit basically compared throttle position to RPM and adjusted the mixture to reduce rich/lean spots as the engine came on/off the pipe.</SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">So far as the ESC feature I would like to have…..it is not a governor like the governor mode from the heli software or the governor mode Dean has worked with for CL Stunt. And I certainly don’t want my electric setup to emulate an IC (if I did, I’d just fly IC). What the feature is, is a way to “clip” peak power at the beginning of the discharge cycle to maintain a constant peak power (if/when requested by advancing the throttle stick to 100%) and constant part throttle power. In the instance of a fresh battery being capable of 6500 RPM, it might be limited to 6100 RPM…..and ½ throttle would be 4500 RPM (for instance). As the battery is discharged, it might only be capable of 6200 RPM, but full throttle would remain 6100 RPM, and ½ throttle would remain 4500 RPM. Think of it more as the way modern TX output strength is controlled……….whether the TX battery is freshly charged at 11 volts (Nixx) or near depleted at 9.3 volts…the signal output strength is the same.</SPAN></FONT></div>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:48 PM<br>
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<div class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I actually was only halfway joking I said "Ban the YS Pressure Regulator", or something like that. Not that I really think it should be banned, but for everyone who thinks it would be cheating to have an ESC that can auto-compensate for dwindling battery voltage, then you ought to seriously think about why it is OK to have a automatic pressure regulator in a recip. There isn't much difference, other than one is wet and the other is dry. And the other key point about having an ESC with this feature is that it doesn't do anything to alter the piloting of the model based on the external conditions that the model is encountering. All it is doing is de-rating the output of the the battery to make it consistent throughout its useful operation range. <br>
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<div class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On Mar 2, 2010, at 8:15 AM, <A href="mailto:rcmaster199@aol.com">rcmaster199@aol.com</A> wrote:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I had a brief conversation with Dean Pappas on this subject recently. Dean explained that some folks have been advocates of programming the ESC to do some footwork at various stages of battery use. He explained to me just how easy this is to do physically. It seems a few have mentioned something similar in this thread.</SPAN></FONT></div>
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From: Anthony Romano <<A href="mailto:anthonyr105@hotmail.com">anthonyr105@hotmail.com</A>><br>
To: <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><br>
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<div class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Keep this line of thinking in mind next time we talk about weight limits! Or any other rules proposal.<br>
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Anthony<br>
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> From: <A href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</A><br>
> To: <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><br>
> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 22:45:57 -0500<br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<br>
> <br>
> OK, So I have a question. Is knowingly and purposefully violating the intent<br>
> and letter of the rules to gain a performance advantage called cheating?<br>
> ....... Just asking!<br>
> Dave Burton<br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><br>
> [<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] On Behalf Of James Oddino<br>
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:16 PM<br>
> To: General pattern discussion<br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<br>
> <br>
> I have the functional concept that solves the rules problem. Picture a 10S<br>
> pack positive lead wired to the common of a switch with two poles, a piece<br>
> of wire connected from one pole to a pole on a second two pole switch with<br>
> its common connected to the ESC. Between the other two poles we place our<br>
> 11th cell. When the 10S pack is above 37.5 volts the 11th cell is bypassed<br>
> and when it is below, like it will be during vertical maneuvers late in<br>
> flight, the 11th cell is put in series to boost the voltage to up to 41.7<br>
> volts. At no time is the voltage over the spec.<br>
> <br>
> Having said that, I believe the 10S system provides adequate power with the<br>
> right motor at all times of flight even if the voltage drops to 35 volts.<br>
> <br>
> Jim<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:59 AM, Bob Kane wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > Going higher and regulating down would be against the rules, the max volts<br>
> is still limited to 42.56. <br>
> > <br>
> > Bob Kane<br>
> > <A href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com">getterflash@yahoo.com</A><br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > --- On Mon, 3/1/10, krishlan fitzsimmons <<A href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com</A>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> > <br>
> >> From: krishlan fitzsimmons <<A href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com</A>><br>
> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<br>
> >> To: <A href="mailto:chad@f3acanada.org">chad@f3acanada.org</A>, "General pattern discussion"<br>
> <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><br>
> >> Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 9:54 AM<br>
> >> <br>
> >> Couldn't we go to a higher voltage and<br>
> >> regulate it back down? A contstant 42.56v would be nice!<br>
> >> <br>
> >> Chris <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> From: Chad<br>
> >> Northeast <<A href="mailto:chad@f3acanada.org">chad@f3acanada.org</A>><br>
> >> To:<br>
> >> <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><br>
> >> Sent: Sun,<br>
> >> February 28, 2010 8:48:48 PM<br>
> >> Subject: Re:<br>
> >> [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<br>
> >> <br>
> >> You would be at about 50% capacity at 3.85 ish volts/cell<br>
> >> (resting open circuit), so unless you up the capacity you<br>
> >> will have a pretty restricted flight time.<br>
> >> <br>
> >> Chad<br>
> >> <br>
> >> On 10-02-28 9:25 PM, Ron Van Putte wrote:<br>
> >>> That stirs a wild thought in my brain. Fully<br>
> >> charged packs don't stay at 4.2 volts per cell very<br>
> >> long. On the other hand, once the initial charge<br>
> >> voltage is burned off by a constant load, the voltage loss<br>
> >> curve "flattens out". What if you put fully<br>
> >> charged 6S and a 5S packs in series and "burn them<br>
> >> down" to 3.869 volts per cell (a total of 42.56<br>
> >> volts for an 11-cell pack) so they were legal for<br>
> >> use. Would the voltage of this depleted 11S pack be<br>
> >> higher than a fully charged 10S pack at the end of a typical<br>
> >> flight? If the end-of-flight voltage might be<br>
> >> significantly higher for the 11S pack vice a 10S pack, it<br>
> >> would be worth investigating, even considering the extra<br>
> >> weight of the additional cell. Come on you electronic<br>
> >> gurus, show me where I'm wrong.<br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> Ron Van Putte<br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> On Feb 28, 2010, at 10:00 PM, James Oddino wrote:<br>
> >>> <br>
> >>>> What comes after ...? Does it specify a load<br>
> >> or any other conditions? Is it measured during the<br>
> >> noise test and have a minimum value?<br>
> >>>> <br>
> >>>> Just stirring the pot, Jim O<br>
> >>>> <br>
> >>>> <br>
> >>>> On Feb 28, 2010, at 5:21 PM, John Fuqua wrote:<br>
> >>>> <br>
> >>>>> No its not (assuming we are talking RC<br>
> >> Aerobatics). Try page RCA-2 para 4.1<br>
> >>>>> which<br>
> >> states "Electrically-powered model aircraft are<br>
> >> limited to a maximum<br>
> >>>>> of 42.56 volts.."<br>
> >>>>> <br>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
> >>>>> From: <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><br>
> >>>>> [<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]<br>
> >> On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte<br>
> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:07 PM<br>
> >>>>> To: General pattern discussion<br>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<br>
> >>>>> <br>
> >>>>> It's in the general rules, not in the R/C<br>
> >> section.<br>
> >>>>> <br>
> >>>>> <br>
> >>>>> On Feb 28, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Jim Quinn wrote:<br>
> >>>>> <br>
> >>>>>> Where can I find the rule<br>
> >> for max volts?<br>
> >>>>>> <br>
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