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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It explains so much more than that my
friend.....</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=d_bodary@yahoo.com href="mailto:d_bodary@yahoo.com">Dennis Bodary</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 02, 2010 2:12
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<TD vAlign=top>And to the person that stuck a screwdriver in a light
socket in the sixth grade. Wow that may explain why my hair is still so
wild<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 3/2/10, Atwood, Mark <I><<A
href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:<BR>
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Atwood, Mark <<A
href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<BR>To: "<A
href="mailto:'nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org'">'nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org'</A>"
<<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Date:
Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 2:03 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>The difference with the wall outlet is the 15amp
breaker in the fuse box. Not to mention you're typically not soldering
connectors to a live outlet like we do partially charged batteries.
<BR><BR>My understanding is that F3C Heli has changed the rules to
allow 12S packs, so maybe its not a concern.
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General pattern discussion <<A
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ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Sent:
Tue Mar 02 12:27:58 2010<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max
volts<BR><BR>Yes I saw that. I also remember seeing that less voltage
could also be lethal. We've been exposed to higher voltages since we
could crawl to a wall outlet. Higher voltages could probably be used
safely. If the maximum voltage is originating in Europe I withdraw my
original questions. <BR>Thanks<BR>Jim<BR><BR>-----Original
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Behalf Of Bob Kane<BR>Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:05 AM<BR>To:
General pattern discussion<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max
volts<BR><BR>Mark Atwood touched on this earlier, it is likely tied to
what is considered a potentially lethal voltage level of 42
volts.<BR><BR><BR>Bob Kane<BR><A
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On Tue, 3/2/10, J N Hiller <<A
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ymailto="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">jnhiller@earthlink.net</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR>> From: J N Hiller <<A
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ymailto="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">jnhiller@earthlink.net</A>><BR>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<BR>> To: "General pattern
discussion" <<A
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Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 11:07 AM<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> I've been<BR>> following this
discussion and have some<BR>> questions.<BR>><BR>> Why was
a<BR>> voltage limit written into the rules? Is it
international<BR>> or AMA only? What was<BR>> the thinking
behind it? <BR>><BR>> Thanks<BR>><BR>><BR>> Jim<BR>>
Hiller<BR>><BR>> <BR>><BR>><BR>>
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Behalf Of Anthony Romano<BR>><BR>> Sent:<BR>> Tuesday, March
02, 2010 5:30<BR>> AM<BR>><BR>> To:<BR>> <A
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ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>><BR>>
Subject: Re:<BR>> [NSRCA-discussion]<BR>> Max
volts<BR>><BR>> <BR>><BR>> Keep<BR>> this line
of<BR>> thinking in mind next time we talk about weight limits!
Or<BR>> any other rules<BR>> proposal.<BR>><BR>>
<BR>><BR>> Anthony<BR>><BR>> <BR>><BR>> >
From: <A
href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=burtona@atmc.net"
ymailto="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</A><BR>><BR>>
> To: <A
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ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>><BR>>
> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 22:45:57 -0500<BR>><BR>> >
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<BR>><BR>>
><BR>><BR>> > OK, So I have a question. Is knowingly
and<BR>> purposefully violating the<BR>> intent<BR>><BR>>
> and letter of the rules to gain a performance<BR>> advantage
called cheating?<BR>><BR>> > ....... Just
asking!<BR>><BR>> > Dave Burton<BR>><BR>>
><BR>><BR>> > -----Original Message-----<BR>><BR>>
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On<BR>> Behalf Of James<BR>> Oddino<BR>><BR>> > Sent:
Monday, March 01, 2010 7:16 PM<BR>><BR>> > To: General
pattern discussion<BR>><BR>> > Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<BR>><BR>> ><BR>><BR>> >
I have the functional concept that solves the rules<BR>> problem.
Picture a 10S<BR>><BR>> > pack positive lead wired to the
common of a switch<BR>> with two poles, a piece<BR>><BR>>
> of wire connected from one pole to a pole on a second<BR>> two
pole switch with<BR>><BR>> > its common connected to the ESC.
Between the other two<BR>> poles we place our<BR>><BR>> >
11th cell. When the 10S pack is above 37.5 volts the<BR>> 11th cell
is bypassed<BR>><BR>> > and when it is below, like it will be
during vertical<BR>> maneuvers late in<BR>><BR>> > flight,
the 11th cell is put in series to boost the<BR>> voltage to up to
41.7<BR>><BR>> > volts. At no time is the voltage over the
spec.<BR>><BR>> ><BR>><BR>> > Having said that, I
believe the 10S system provides<BR>> adequate power with<BR>>
the<BR>><BR>> > right motor at all times of flight even if
the voltage<BR>> drops to 35 volts.<BR>><BR>>
><BR>><BR>> > Jim<BR>><BR>> ><BR>><BR>>
><BR>><BR>> > On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:59 AM, Bob Kane
wrote:<BR>><BR>> ><BR>><BR>> > > Going higher and
regulating down would be against<BR>> the rules, the max<BR>>
volts<BR>><BR>> > is still limited to 42.56.<BR>><BR>>
> ><BR>><BR>> > > Bob Kane<BR>><BR>> > >
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> ><BR>><BR>> > ><BR>><BR>> > > --- On
Mon, 3/1/10, krishlan fitzsimmons<BR>> <<A
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ymailto="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com</A>><BR>><BR>>
> wrote:<BR>><BR>> > ><BR>><BR>> > >>
From: krishlan fitzsimmons<BR>> <<A
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ymailto="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com</A>><BR>><BR>>
> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max
volts<BR>><BR>> > >> To: <A
href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chad@f3acanada.org"
ymailto="mailto:chad@f3acanada.org">chad@f3acanada.org</A>, "General
pattern<BR>> discussion"<BR>><BR>> > <<A
href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>><BR>>
> >> Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 9:54 AM<BR>><BR>>
> >><BR>><BR>> > >> Couldn't we go to a higher
voltage and<BR>><BR>> > >> regulate it back down? A
contstant 42.56v<BR>> would be nice!<BR>><BR>> >
>><BR>><BR>> > >> Chris<BR>><BR>> >
>><BR>><BR>> > >><BR>><BR>> >
>><BR>><BR>> > >><BR>><BR>> >
>><BR>><BR>> > >><BR>><BR>> >
>><BR>><BR>> > >><BR>><BR>> >
>><BR>><BR>> > >> From: Chad<BR>><BR>> >
>> Northeast <<A
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ymailto="mailto:chad@f3acanada.org">chad@f3acanada.org</A>><BR>><BR>>
> >> To:<BR>><BR>> > >> <A
href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>><BR>>
> >> Sent: Sun,<BR>><BR>> > >> February 28,
2010 8:48:48 PM<BR>><BR>> > >> Subject:
Re:<BR>><BR>> > >> [NSRCA-discussion] Max
volts<BR>><BR>> > >><BR>><BR>> > >> You
would be at about 50% capacity at 3.85<BR>> ish
volts/cell<BR>><BR>> > >> (resting open circuit), so
unless you up the<BR>> capacity you<BR>><BR>> > >>
will have a pretty restricted flight time.<BR>><BR>> >
>><BR>><BR>> > >> Chad<BR>><BR>> >
>><BR>><BR>> > >> On 10-02-28 9:25 PM, Ron Van
Putte wrote:<BR>><BR>> > >>> That stirs a wild
thought in my brain.<BR>> Fully<BR>><BR>> > >>
charged packs don't stay at 4.2 volts per<BR>> cell
very<BR>><BR>> > >> long. On the other hand, once the
initial<BR>> charge<BR>><BR>> > >> voltage is burned
off by a constant load, the<BR>> voltage loss<BR>><BR>> >
>> curve "flattens out". What if you<BR>> put
fully<BR>><BR>> > >> charged 6S and a 5S packs in
series and<BR>> "burn them<BR>><BR>> > >> down" to
3.869 volts per cell (a total<BR>> of 42.56<BR>><BR>> >
>> volts for an 11-cell pack) so they were legal<BR>>
for<BR>><BR>> > >> use. Would the voltage of this
depleted 11S<BR>> pack be<BR>><BR>> > >> higher than
a fully charged 10S pack at the<BR>> end of a
typical<BR>><BR>> > >> flight? If the end-of-flight
voltage might<BR>> be<BR>><BR>> > >> significantly
higher for the 11S pack vice a<BR>> 10S pack, it<BR>><BR>>
> >> would be worth investigating, even<BR>> considering
the extra<BR>><BR>> > >> weight of the additional cell.
Come on you<BR>> electronic<BR>><BR>> > >> gurus,
show me where I'm wrong.<BR>><BR>> >
>>><BR>><BR>> > >>> Ron Van
Putte<BR>><BR>> > >>><BR>><BR>> >
>>> On Feb 28, 2010, at 10:00 PM, James<BR>> Oddino
wrote:<BR>><BR>> > >>><BR>><BR>> >
>>>> What comes after ...? Does it specify<BR>> a
load<BR>><BR>> > >> or any other conditions? Is it
measured<BR>> during the<BR>><BR>> > >> noise test
and have a minimum value?<BR>><BR>> >
>>>><BR>><BR>> > >>>> Just stirring
the pot, Jim O<BR>><BR>> > >>>><BR>><BR>>
> >>>><BR>><BR>> > >>>> On Feb 28,
2010, at 5:21 PM, John<BR>> Fuqua wrote:<BR>><BR>> >
>>>><BR>><BR>> > >>>>> No its not
(assuming we are<BR>> talking RC<BR>><BR>> > >>
Aerobatics). Try page RCA-2 para 4.1<BR>><BR>> >
>>>>> which<BR>><BR>> > >> states
"Electrically-powered model<BR>> aircraft are<BR>><BR>> >
>> limited to a maximum<BR>><BR>> >
>>>>> of 42.56 volts.."<BR>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>><BR>> > >>>>>
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> >> On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte<BR>><BR>> >
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010<BR>> 7:07
PM<BR>><BR>> > >>>>> To: General pattern
discussion<BR>><BR>> > >>>>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion]<BR>> Max volts<BR>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>><BR>> > >>>>> It's in
the general rules,<BR>> not in the R/C<BR>><BR>> >
>> section.<BR>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>><BR>> > >>>>> On Feb
28, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Jim<BR>> Quinn wrote:<BR>><BR>> >
>>>>><BR>><BR>> > >>>>>>
Where can I find the rule<BR>><BR>> > >> for max
volts?<BR>><BR>> > >>>>>><BR>><BR>>
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