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I think one of the big German companies has something like this feature
in some of their controllers now and purportedly will have it in their
next F3A controller this Spring.&nbsp; A certain guy in Calgary may know
more details about it than I do and hopefully he will chime in. I just
send them vast sums of money but am last to get any details... (ok not
really vast sums)<br>
<br>
Chris<br>
<br>
Dave wrote:
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  <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
 style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Essentially
a governor for the peak power
only&#8230;with constant &#8220;re-mapping&#8221; of the throttle curve to keep
the power the same across the throttle range. &nbsp;SOME people have been
asking for this basic concept as an additional programming parameter
for a LONG
time (I won&#8217;t admit to when I first asked for this). &nbsp;It would be
very nice to program max RPM (essentially a function of voltage
available,
which reflects power available from the lipo) and set it for something
close to
what is seen at the end of a flight on a cool day on a &#8220;middle of the
road&#8221; lipo (assuming it is performing well enough for competition
flights). &nbsp;THEN&#8230;all competition grade lipos would run essentially
identically for the duration of the flight. &nbsp;If more people asked for
this
feature&#8230;the &#8220;squeaky&#8221; wheel might get greased sooner&#8230;&#8230;..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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 style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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 style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Dave<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b><span
 style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Ed Alt<br>
  <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, March
01, 2010 8:10
PM<br>
  <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
  <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion]
Max volts</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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  <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Calibri" size="3"><span
 style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; color: black;">Along the
lines of
taking advantage of better batteries, ESC's could compensate for packs
as they
flatten out.&nbsp; Essentially, an ESC could be designed to automatically
de-rate the battery when it is above a prescribed level of charge.&nbsp; I
don't really keep up with what the various ESCs have feature-wise, but
I
haven't heard of this being done yet.&nbsp; I don't think it would be hard
either.&nbsp; Effectively, it's like a built-in ATV that simply limits the
pulse
width at full power when the battery is above a certain level, just as
it
already does in response to throttle inputs.&nbsp; There's an advantage to
this
in that the battery pack &amp; wiring&nbsp;arrangement stays simple and that
all cells in the pack get used simultaneously. &nbsp;I still&nbsp;like Jim's
original&nbsp;idea, especially because it got some more thinking on the
topic
going.</span></font><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span
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 style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: black; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font
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 style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: black;"> <a
 moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:AtwoodDon@aol.com"
 title="AtwoodDon@aol.com">AtwoodDon@aol.com</a>
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 color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
 style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: black;"> Monday,
March 01, 2010
8:01 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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 style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: black;"> <a
 moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
 title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>
  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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 style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: black; font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></font></b><font
 color="black" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
 style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: black;"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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 face="Arial" size="2"><span
 style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">This
approach could also
function as a backup RX battery.&nbsp; No rules against having redundant RX
power.&nbsp; The BEC could be programmed to 'divert' power to the flight
batteries to maintain the near max voltage when needed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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 style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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  <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span
 style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">However, I
agree with Jim, I don't see
the need for this.&nbsp; <st1:place w:st="on">Battery</st1:place>
technology
has/is progressing fast enough to provide us with enough power for our
sequences.&nbsp; I prefer the simpler approach.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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 style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Don<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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 style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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  <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span
 style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">In a
message dated 3/1/2010 4:34:31 P.M.
Pacific Standard Time, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">ed_alt@hotmail.com</a> writes:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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    <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span
 style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">That's a
good idea.&nbsp; I imagine it
would take a little modification to the <br>
rule to specify how a system like this could be applied.&nbsp; This could be
put <br>
together external to the speed controller and function automatically
through <br>
active voltage sensing.&nbsp; Eventually the ESC mfgs could go a step
further
an <br>
just integrate this right into the controller.&nbsp; Slick, simple concept
Jim!<br>
    <br>
Ed<br>
    <br>
--------------------------------------------------<br>
From: "James Oddino" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com">&lt;joddino@socal.rr.com&gt;</a><br>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:15 PM<br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">&lt;nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org&gt;</a><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<br>
    <br>
&gt; I have the functional concept that solves the rules problem.&nbsp;
Picture
a <br>
&gt; 10S pack positive lead wired to the common of a switch with two
poles, a <br>
&gt; piece of wire connected from one pole to a pole on a second two
pole <br>
&gt; switch with its common connected to the ESC.&nbsp; Between the other
two
poles <br>
&gt; we place our 11th cell.&nbsp; When the 10S pack is above 37.5 volts the
11th <br>
&gt; cell is bypassed and when it is below, like it will be during
vertical <br>
&gt; maneuvers late in flight, the 11th cell is put in series to boost
the <br>
&gt; voltage to up to 41.7 volts.&nbsp; At no time is the voltage over the
spec.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Having said that, I believe the 10S system provides adequate power
with <br>
&gt; the right motor at all times of flight even if the voltage drops
to 35 <br>
&gt; volts.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Jim<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:59 AM, Bob Kane wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Going higher and regulating down would be against the rules,
the max <br>
&gt;&gt; volts is still limited to 42.56.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Bob Kane<br>
&gt;&gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com">getterflash@yahoo.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; --- On Mon, 3/1/10, krishlan fitzsimmons
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">&lt;homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com&gt;</a> <br>
&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; From: krishlan fitzsimmons
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">&lt;homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com&gt;</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chad@f3acanada.org">chad@f3acanada.org</a>, "General pattern discussion" <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">&lt;nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org&gt;</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 9:54 AM<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Couldn't we go to a higher voltage and<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; regulate it back down? A contstant 42.56v would be nice!<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Chris<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; From: Chad<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Northeast <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chad@f3acanada.org">&lt;chad@f3acanada.org&gt;</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; To:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Sent: Sun,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; February 28, 2010 8:48:48 PM<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Subject: Re:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; You would be at about 50% capacity at 3.85 ish volts/cell<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; (resting open circuit), so unless you up the capacity you<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; will have a pretty restricted flight time.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Chad</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; On 10-02-28 9:25 PM, Ron Van Putte wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; That stirs a wild thought in my brain.&nbsp; Fully<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; charged packs don't stay at 4.2 volts per cell very<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; long.&nbsp; On the other hand, once the initial charge<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; voltage is burned off by a constant load, the voltage loss<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; curve "flattens out".&nbsp; What if you put fully<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; charged 6S and a 5S packs in series and "burn them<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; down" to 3.869 volts per cell (a total of 42.56<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; volts for an 11-cell pack) so they were legal for<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; use.&nbsp; Would the voltage of this depleted 11S pack be<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; higher than a fully charged 10S pack at the end of a
typical<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; flight?&nbsp; If the end-of-flight voltage might be<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; significantly higher for the 11S pack vice a 10S pack, it<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; would be worth investigating, even considering the extra<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; weight of the additional cell.&nbsp; Come on you electronic<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; gurus, show me where I'm wrong.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Ron Van Putte<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Feb 28, 2010, at 10:00 PM, James Oddino wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; What comes after ...?&nbsp; Does it specify a load<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; or any other conditions?&nbsp; Is it measured during the<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; noise test and have a minimum value?<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Just stirring the pot, Jim O<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Feb 28, 2010, at 5:21 PM, John Fuqua wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; No its not (assuming we are talking RC<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Aerobatics).&nbsp; Try page RCA-2 para 4.1<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; which<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; states "Electrically-powered model aircraft are<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; limited to a maximum<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; of 42.56 volts.."<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
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&gt;&gt;&gt; On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:07 PM<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; To: General pattern discussion<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; It's in the general rules, not in the R/C<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; section.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Where can I find the rule<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; for max volts?<br>
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