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<font size=3>Boy, Jim, does that date us who remember Donohue!!!<br><br>
At 12:35 AM 3/2/2010, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Penske and Donohue called it
"taking unfair advantage of the rules".<br><br>
Jim O<br><br>
<br>
On Mar 1, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Dave Burton wrote:<br><br>
> OK, So I have a question. Is knowingly and purposefully violating
the intent<br>
> and letter of the rules to gain a performance advantage called
cheating?<br>
> ....... Just asking!<br>
> Dave Burton<br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<br>
>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" eudora="autourl">
mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of James
Oddino<br>
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:16 PM<br>
> To: General pattern discussion<br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<br>
> <br>
> I have the functional concept that solves the rules problem.
Picture a 10S<br>
> pack positive lead wired to the common of a switch with two poles, a
piece<br>
> of wire connected from one pole to a pole on a second two pole
switch with<br>
> its common connected to the ESC. Between the other two poles
we place our<br>
> 11th cell. When the 10S pack is above 37.5 volts the 11th cell
is bypassed<br>
> and when it is below, like it will be during vertical maneuvers late
in<br>
> flight, the 11th cell is put in series to boost the voltage to up to
41.7<br>
> volts. At no time is the voltage over the spec.<br>
> <br>
> Having said that, I believe the 10S system provides adequate power
with the<br>
> right motor at all times of flight even if the voltage drops to 35
volts.<br>
> <br>
> Jim<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:59 AM, Bob Kane wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> Going higher and regulating down would be against the rules, the
max volts<br>
> is still limited to 42.56. <br>
>> <br>
>> Bob Kane<br>
>> getterflash@yahoo.com<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> --- On Mon, 3/1/10, krishlan fitzsimmons
<homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com><br>
> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>> From: krishlan fitzsimmons
<homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<br>
>>> To: chad@f3acanada.org, "General pattern
discussion"<br>
> <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
>>> Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 9:54 AM<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Couldn't we go to a higher voltage and<br>
>>> regulate it back down? A contstant 42.56v would be
nice!<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Chris <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> From: Chad<br>
>>> Northeast <chad@f3acanada.org><br>
>>> To:<br>
>>> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
>>> Sent: Sun,<br>
>>> February 28, 2010 8:48:48 PM<br>
>>> Subject: Re:<br>
>>> [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<br>
>>> <br>
>>> You would be at about 50% capacity at 3.85 ish
volts/cell<br>
>>> (resting open circuit), so unless you up the capacity
you<br>
>>> will have a pretty restricted flight time.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Chad<br>
>>> <br>
>>> On 10-02-28 9:25 PM, Ron Van Putte wrote:<br>
>>>> That stirs a wild thought in my brain. Fully<br>
>>> charged packs don't stay at 4.2 volts per cell very<br>
>>> long. On the other hand, once the initial charge<br>
>>> voltage is burned off by a constant load, the voltage
loss<br>
>>> curve "flattens out". What if you put
fully<br>
>>> charged 6S and a 5S packs in series and "burn them<br>
>>> down" to 3.869 volts per cell (a total of 42.56<br>
>>> volts for an 11-cell pack) so they were legal for<br>
>>> use. Would the voltage of this depleted 11S pack
be<br>
>>> higher than a fully charged 10S pack at the end of a
typical<br>
>>> flight? If the end-of-flight voltage might be<br>
>>> significantly higher for the 11S pack vice a 10S pack,
it<br>
>>> would be worth investigating, even considering the
extra<br>
>>> weight of the additional cell. Come on you
electronic<br>
>>> gurus, show me where I'm wrong.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Ron Van Putte<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> On Feb 28, 2010, at 10:00 PM, James Oddino wrote:<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>> What comes after ...? Does it specify a
load<br>
>>> or any other conditions? Is it measured during
the<br>
>>> noise test and have a minimum value?<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Just stirring the pot, Jim O<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> On Feb 28, 2010, at 5:21 PM, John Fuqua wrote:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> No its not (assuming we are talking RC<br>
>>> Aerobatics). Try page RCA-2 para 4.1<br>
>>>>>> which<br>
>>> states "Electrically-powered model aircraft are<br>
>>> limited to a maximum<br>
>>>>>> of 42.56 volts.."<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>>>>> From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<br>
>>>>>>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" eudora="autourl">
mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<br>
>>> On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte<br>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:07 PM<br>
>>>>>> To: General pattern discussion<br>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> It's in the general rules, not in the R/C<br>
>>> section.<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Jim Quinn
wrote:<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> Where can I find the rule<br>
>>> for max volts?<br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> <br>
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